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And yet I'm told that some of these electrically "assisted" mountain bikes can do over 40mph on the road in the right conditions. With none of the above legal requirements. Though you'd be daft not to wear a lid.

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A 13 yo. coming down from the Creg at 50mph is OK, as long as they don't have a motor?

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

And he has to have a driving licence and insurance

Biggest gripe will be he's not being ass raped by the government to run it.

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It is also not acceptable in the 21st century for any parent to allow a teenager to wear a Boiler Suit - get Social Services involved...

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1 hour ago, GD4ELI said:

if it has a petrol engine (internal combustion) and is under 50cc then it's legally a moped so must be registered.

there definitely used to be a lower limit as to CC to be classified as a moped, not just anything below 50. 

 

 

edit:   after doing a bit of googling it was a 23cc  cut off  but too many people were pissing folks off with 22.5cc gopeds so they decided to change the laws to fuck them over and make the world a safer place.

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For the record electric bicycles have to be pedal assist (no lever or twist grip) with assistance only up to 15mph after which the motor cuts the assistance. This is why they aren't subject to registration or compulsory helmets or licensing.

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1 minute ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

For the record electric bicycles have to be pedal assist (no lever or twist grip) with assistance only up to 15mph after which the motor cuts the assistance. This is why they aren't subject to registration or compulsory helmets or licensing.

many of the ones around are well above the wattage and speeds permitted by law though.

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9 minutes ago, WTF said:

many of the ones around are well above the wattage and speeds permitted by law though.

There are some, I wouldn't say many. If people have bought them from a local bike shop and they 'tune' them they've just voided their warranty. That said I be live you can go onebay and buy illegal kit bikes that break the law. I suspect that some twat will fuck about with one, have an accident and then the heavy hand of legislation will come down on it all.

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It’s the sort of thing Mr Plod revels in, probably tipped off by a well meaning member of the public, as they get a detection and a clear up.

They recently got tipped the wink that a 14 year old was driving a car he had restored, singlehandedly, on a back alleyway at Jurby Estate.  It goes nowhere, there’s no through traffic. 

Blues and siren. Swoop. Caution for no licence, no insurance, no supervision, no L plates. Dad was then prosecuted for permitting. Magistrates gave absolute discharge and no costs.

Pathetic.

Should have been advised and no further action.

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Just now, Kipper99 said:

It’s the sort of thing Mr Plod revels in, probably topped off by a well meaning member of the public, as they get a detection and a clear up.

They recently got tipped the wink that a 14 year old was driving a car he had restored, singlehandedly, on a back alleyway at Jurby Estate.  It goes nowhere, there’s no through traffic. 

Blues and siren. Swoop. Caution for no licence, no insurance, no supervision, no L plates. Dad was then prosecuted for permitting. Magistrates gave absolute discharge and no costs.

Pathetic.

Should have been advised and no further action.

Why ?

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5 minutes ago, Kipper99 said:

It’s the sort of thing Mr Plod revels in, probably tipped off by a well meaning member of the public, as they get a detection and a clear up.

I’d agree there. Could have been dealt with proactively but looks like they chose to be a bunch of twats over it. So the old man goes to the papers. That’s what happens in the days of having people employed to generate positive PR via social media. The minute you piss someone off they turn the PR against you. 

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It's also good for the crime stats, another heinous villain off the street's.

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12 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

I’d agree there. Could have been dealt with proactively but looks like they chose to be a bunch of twats over it. So the old man goes to the papers. That’s what happens in the days of having people employed to generate positive PR via social media. The minute you piss someone off they turn the PR against you. 

There isn’t anybody employed to do that.

and regardless of the rights or wrongs and facts of the matter, I’m sure any of us in dads shoes would be a bit angry.

hopefully the cops will take a pragmatic approach. The young lad involved seems to be an all round good egg.

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1 minute ago, Derek Flint said:

The young lad involved seems to be an all round good egg.

Come of it. He didn't look that Fat!!!

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