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2 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said:

All of them. You can go to Piccadilly Circus, Oxford Street, Baker Street, the BBC headquarters, the British Museum, and just walk five minutes in any direction away from main streets into side streets and find people living in rented accommodation including run down places that are < £600 per month.

You’re very naive.

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The thread makes for interesting reading. I feel the labour situation is so complex and intertwined, it makes it nigh on impossible to prescribe one single solution. Any solution is also open to criticism, but the problem is not going away.

There is definitely a shortage of skilled staff, and these staff are in demand. We have to trust the firms who state this, after all - why would they *not* hire staff if there was such a pool? In my own experience, there’s not some ulterior motive or conspiracy.

Equally, agencies all profess to have the solution, but again, why would a successful firm with staff demands, not utilise these channels? 

Then there’s retention. The finite pool has driven up packages; salaries, perks and benefits - making the ‘big names’ often sweep up staff from other companies.

Finally there’s the irritation factor. How far does a firm go before staffing up in the UK or Malta? They’re equally challenging markets but I understand it’s an easier sell to attract someone to Malta.

 

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9 minutes ago, John Wright said:

You’re very naive.

Oh okay. I guess I just imagined it all, even though I lived there myself.

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42 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said:

All of them. You can go to Piccadilly Circus, Oxford Street, Baker Street, the BBC headquarters, the British Museum, and just walk five minutes in any direction away from main streets into side streets and find people living in rented accommodation including run down places that are < £600 per month.

No, even very basic hostel/b&b accommodation would cost you £900+ per month

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39 minutes ago, joeyconcrete said:

The thread makes for interesting reading. I feel the labour situation is so complex and intertwined, it makes it nigh on impossible to prescribe one single solution. Any solution is also open to criticism, but the problem is not going away.

There is definitely a shortage of skilled staff, and these staff are in demand. We have to trust the firms who state this, after all - why would they *not* hire staff if there was such a pool? In my own experience, there’s not some ulterior motive or conspiracy.

Equally, agencies all profess to have the solution, but again, why would a successful firm with staff demands, not utilise these channels? 

Then there’s retention. The finite pool has driven up packages; salaries, perks and benefits - making the ‘big names’ often sweep up staff from other companies.

Finally there’s the irritation factor. How far does a firm go before staffing up in the UK or Malta? They’re equally challenging markets but I understand it’s an easier sell to attract someone to Malta.

 


Could a representative of one of the companies concerned tell us exactly what the situation is?

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42 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said:

All of them. You can go to Piccadilly Circus, Oxford Street, Baker Street, the BBC headquarters, the British Museum, and just walk five minutes in any direction away from main streets into side streets and find people living in rented accommodation including run down places that are < £600 per month.

https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/housing-and-land/renting/london-rents-map

Above link takes you to interactive rent map of London. Have fun!

I live less than one hour from the City by train and I live in social housing in a retirement place and my rent is almost £600 a month whereas a decent commercial rent on the manor is often twice that. So if someone is in Central London and getting accommodation at £600 a month (Commercial) I would say they have a fairy godmother or are sharing or live in a room/boarding house/shed/attic/bomb shelter/cellar etc...or Council/Peabody Trust/Guinness Trust and any number of housing associations in London and there are some very good ones. I am with Origin and you can Google that as they have a lot social housing in London.

As regards Benefits those who qualify get Housing Benefit/Credit or whatever some Councils call it now. I think there is a limit to what they will pay so I suppose some landlords specialise in letting on Benefits terms?

Universal Credit with its five weeks arrears has caused a lot of people to be homeless as the landlords do not like those terms.

In my gaff we have an empty two bedroomed very nice flat that used to be the Warden's flat back in the day but no longer. We can't let it because it is for two people and the Council will not pay for the second bedroom and no couples have applied.

So now the rules are being bent and we are letting on social rent to a person working in the NHS or care industry on much less than commercial terms. They will have a short hold tenancy so can be moved on. Many of the NHS and care key workers cannot afford commercial rents so this is a good opportunity for someone as the flat has been empty three years. Apparently other social landlords are doing much the same. They had to get our approval as the new person will under the statutory age of 55 for this type of property...Common sense!

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1 hour ago, Rushen Spy said:

Oh okay. I guess I just imagined it all, even though I lived there myself.

You contradict yourself, trip yourself up. First it was your friend the landlord letting out at charity rates in slum ridden inner city London. Then it was you personally living there.

You won’t be comparing like with like though. The areas you describe £600 won’t get a bedsit, never a flat.

I very rarely visit the major shopping streets, but I do go down the side and backstreets, aimlessly wandering. When I first did it, 45 years ago there were still some very run down inner city areas. 

Not any longer.

Its almost like TJ reincarnated.

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28 minutes ago, John Wright said:

You contradict yourself, trip yourself up. First it was your friend the landlord letting out at charity rates in slum ridden inner city London. Then it was you personally living there.

You won’t be comparing like with like though. The areas you describe £600 won’t get a bedsit, never a flat.

How do you think I met him in the first place? By living there and meeting him socially (I was not a tenant of his). He has never even been to the Isle of Man.

And I'm the only one here who is comparing like for like. You're all fixated on comparing average to average, or average to above average, and here I am comparing below average with below average. 

 

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55 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said:

I live less than one hour from the City by train and I live in social housing in a retirement place and my rent is almost £600 a month whereas a decent commercial rent on the manor is often twice that.

The key word here being "decent". I was talking about below average rentals which are either slums or not much better. There is very little difference between the slums in Douglas and the slums in London except that they're more expensive in Douglas.

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1 minute ago, Rushen Spy said:

The key word here being "decent". I was talking about below average rentals which are either slums or not much better. There is very little difference between the slums in Douglas and the slums in London except that they're more expensive in Douglas.

And as you won’t actually define and delimit inner city... it’s clear that not only are you comparing bedsits with self contained flats, and not in the centre of London.

 

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I'm comparing like for like. Bedsits and small flats in Douglas with bedsits and small flats in London.

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9 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said:

I'm comparing like for like. Bedsits and small flats in Douglas with bedsits and small flats in London.

That you can't actually place...

Yet another sweeping generalisation backed up with no examples.

Same old same old TJ....

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https://www.gumtree.com/property-to-rent/london/bedsit

Yes you can get crappy single bedsits in Central London for £150 pw or £600 pcm. Rushen Spy is correct.

I've no idea what the equivalent would cost on the IoM but £600 pcm will get you a 1 double-bed flat + lounge + bathroom + kitchen so not like for like, the same dosh in Central Douglas gets you much more

https://manxliving.com/search-result/page/2/?search_property_type=rent&amp;search_type&amp;search_keywords&amp;search_bedroom&amp;search_agent&amp;search_price=0%3B600

 

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14 minutes ago, P.K. said:

That you can't actually place...

Yet another sweeping generalisation backed up with no examples.

Same old same old TJ....

I'm not TJ, you colossal dingbat.

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2 hours ago, joeyconcrete said:

Finally there’s the irritation factor. How far does a firm go before staffing up in the UK or Malta? They’re equally challenging markets but I understand it’s an easier sell to attract someone to Malta.

 

Perhaps it’s about perception and reality? I’m sure nobody has made up the weather in Malta compared to the UK. It’s a verifiable fact. Just like people who want to move to Dubai for better weather. Whereas a lot of the positive points said about the IOM often dont seem to translate to reality 

Low tax - not really

Good schools - we won’t benchmark them

Low cost of living - not after you’ve lived here 6 months

Good services - no 

Great air links - not really

Good quality of life - not especially 

My assumption has always been that other places have the ability to follow through on what they put on websites to attract people over. Otherwise they wouldn’t be retaining new residents. 

 

 

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