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Think the nuclear power industry contributes to the that - and we pay a very modest amount towards it

Immigrants have been setting foot on the shores of these islands since the end of the ice age

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Just now, craggy_steve said:

 

That's Central Gov't. In the UK more delivery is funded by local gov't - and UK Council Taxes are much higher than our Rates.

Give them time - the cost of local rates will grow

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1 minute ago, Donald Trumps said:

Give them time - the cost of local rates will grow

Yeah, but local rates don't need to grow - Central Gov't funding more than makes up for the modest local rates here. Which I guess gets us back on point. There is probably an argument that we should not need Rates at all given the high spend per capita of Central Gov't. Now that would be Reform!

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That's just challenging Minister Thomas to produce a lengthy report as to why we spend more & how essential it is

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If England restricts its immigration and the Island only can allow those who have access to England, then we also restrict ours?

Immigration restrictions leave a very very bad taste for anyone with a sense of fairness and egalitarian mindset.

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It would appear that adopted UK legislation is encouraging EU citizens to leave the island

Quite how the Common Travel area is going to work after this horrendous Tory mess is a mystery

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6 minutes ago, Kopek said:

If England restricts its immigration and the Island only can allow those who have access to England, then we also restrict ours?

Immigration restrictions leave a very very bad taste for anyone with a sense of fairness and egalitarian mindset.

For England, read UK. Yep, immigration restrictions are potentially ugly, but they are widely considered necessary else the "best" countries to live in wind up with loads of passengers in the economy, overwhelmed public services, soaring house prices / rents etc. The UK has always had them and so have most other first world countries, but whilst the UK is in the EU the restrictions only apply to non-EU citizens. Americans, Africans, Arabs, Asians, Antipodeans etc. all have to jump through massive and expensive hoops to be allowed to live in the UK (and thus IoM).

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10 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

It would appear that adopted UK legislation is encouraging EU citizens to leave the island

Quite how the Common Travel area is going to work after this horrendous Tory mess is a mystery

CTA is supposedly unaffected. 

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I just cannot see how that can be the case, but I am no expert....

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48 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

I just cannot see how that can be the case, but I am no expert....

CTA predates the EEC, encompasses UK, Ire and CDs (which are not part of EU) and was not superseded by EC / EU legislation, Schengen etc, so it would remain in place if UK membership of EU falls away. No material change. UK and CD citizens may travel freely to RoI and vice versa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area  

Nope, I'm not confident it will work either. Ireland would be an open door to / from the EU. There would have to be identity checks to verify nationality.

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Steve, you seem to be lauding England for having a financial immigration policy and the Island should do the same?

WE do not have an immigration procedure of our own, we can only take people who have been approved by England and therefore we have the same policy as England!!!

Those Africans/ Americans must be approved by England before we can entice them to our shores.

Steve, would your financial restrictions also apply to returning Manx emigrants?

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56 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Steve, you seem to be lauding England for having a financial immigration policy and the Island should do the same?

WE do not have an immigration procedure of our own, we can only take people who have been approved by England and therefore we have the same policy as England!!!

Those Africans/ Americans must be approved by England before we can entice them to our shores.

Steve, would your financial restrictions also apply to returning Manx emigrants?

Not lauding England / UK at all. USA, France, Germany, Australia -  name a first world country and the policy is much the same, they won't let you in unless they want you or you can prove that you will pay your way. Problem is that we are not part of the UK or financially supported by the UK, but anyone from the UK (68 million folk) can quit the UK and move here. Nearly half the IoM population is UK comeovers, including me, who did not need to immigrate into the UK but by being UK resident have the right to come and settle here. The immigrants who have come from outside the UK / EU and who actually have to go through the full immigration palaver are not the problem. 

And no, it wouldn't restrict Manx returnees - they already have the right to live here as does any immigrant who has previously resided on the island for 10 years. 

The Isle of Man passed suitable legislation in 2001, but has never brought it into force, see https://legislation.gov.im/cms/images/LEGISLATION/PRINCIPAL/2001/2001-0007/ResidenceAct2001_1.pdf . Don't know why this legislation was created, maybe the island was just following the model adopted by the Channel Islands. 

 

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Was there a view at the time that the island was becoming overpopulated?

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Yes there was that view and it was widely held. It was the peak of the boom, and immigration and development were at a high. The legislation was passed as the government's response to this pressure, although I don't believe there was ever the serious intention to trigger it. It was a safety valve and a sop to the unwashed.

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2 minutes ago, Grounds Keeper Willy said:

Wasn't it the opposite? They built the hospital with a target population of 120,000 in mind. 

And the incinerator.

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