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6 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

Feel sure he'll adopt a much 'greener' agenda than the Quayle regime, whose only view of green opportunities is a field to build on

And grant greenbacks.

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This assessment will take into account the number of storeys in a home, wall thickness, flats, and shared corridor spaces.

What should that have to do with with rates?

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34 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

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What should that have to do with with rates?

It will be something to do with Manx cottages having 3 foot thick walls. Outside dimensions bear no resemblance to interior usable space. A bit like a reverse tardis.

even though I live in a reasonably big gaff, this system looks a lot fairer than what exists at present. Mind you, it may well skew local authority income, so perhaps time to fold them too?

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anybody that thinks rate changes will reduce their rates is a moron,   no one would be paying lass, most people would be paying more,  just another cash grab attempt in disguise.

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Now here is a surprise... :whistling:

Agricultural properties under the existing rating system are zero rated and it is not proposed that this should change

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Component 6: Agricultural properties remain 0% rated.

 

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The current system is a mess. 

This proposal is also a mess, and above all patently unfair - which is clearly why the government did not ask a direct question on the proposal when they had the chance. 

The most basic logic would do away with property rates entirely, as clearly there is no correlation between the form of a property and the cost of local services.

It would make far more sense to scrap it entirely and move the cost to income taxes - though Chris Thomas denied they have any data on income and residency!

The aerial photography solution is clearly going to be an absolute nightmare, with the onus on rectifying government guesstimates no doubt left with those who will be paying over the odds if they don’t correct the errors. 

I appreciate this is a poison chalice, but really this solution couldn’t be much more ham fisted.  

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1 hour ago, WTF said:

anybody that thinks rate changes will reduce their rates is a moron,   no one would be paying lass, most people would be paying more,  just another cash grab attempt in disguise.

To be honest I’m sure most of us will end up paying more afterwards anyway. 

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2 hours ago, fredtosser said:

Now here is a surprise... :whistling:

Agricultural properties under the existing rating system are zero rated and it is not proposed that this should change

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Component 6: Agricultural properties remain 0% rated.

 

Any property where the occupants or the building itself that generates income (as farms do), then they should be paying rates at the very least, if not business rates.

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Are the floor areas of dwellings not recorded somewhere? The land register for instance?

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4 hours ago, fredtosser said:

Now here is a surprise... :whistling:

Agricultural properties under the existing rating system are zero rated and it is not proposed that this should change

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Component 6: Agricultural properties remain 0% rated.

 

we can't be giving farmers long millions AND putting their rates up can we.

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1 hour ago, doc.fixit said:

Are the floor areas of dwellings not recorded somewhere? The land register for instance?

Not consistently, older properties especially inaccurate. In theory government have been collecting survey data for a long time, but that isn’t verified either. 

They tried to do a similar thing a while ago with field boundaries I think and that was inaccurate too. 

 

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