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17 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

The exact wording is rather revealing:

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The NSC Flumes will not be open before the end of the school summer holidays. A paper has been submitted to Treasury confirming the basis of the proposed agreement with the contractors involved in the project to rectify the issues regarding the flumes.

Now there would be no need to put the agreement to the Treasury if it wasn't going to cost the DESC a lot of money.  So this must mean that they screwed up the contract and/or specification seriously and the contractors have got them over a barrel. 

Note as well that  if there has been no agreement as to payment as yet, there's hardly going to have been much progress made with regard to getting the pool back into working order.  So rather than this meaning (as is implied) that everything will be back in running order some time in the Autumn, more likely work will only start then.  If Treasury support it, which they clearly haven't yet.  Not only has the pool been closed for two years, but it could be for as long again, because they may be starting from scratch.

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Alf Cannan , in case you haven't realised , you are the treasury minister and holding the purse strings. How about you rattle some cages and call a halt to this continued wasting of money in all the d

My 4 year old boy said he is looking forward to trying out the new slides for his 18th birthday party.

I can only describe it as pitiful ! The whole shower of sh1t wouldn't last five minutes in the real world. They operate in a world where money has no meaning because us idiots keep supplying it for th

2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

  If Treasury support it, which they clearly haven't yet.  Not only has the pool been closed for two years, but it could be for as long again, because they may be starting from scratch.

Two years...and still counting.  Unbelievable.  Have any of the MHK candidates mentioned this fiasco.?

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6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

The exact wording is rather revealing:

Now there would be no need to put the agreement to the Treasury if it wasn't going to cost the DESC a lot of money.  So this must mean that they screwed up the contract and/or specification seriously and the contractors have got them over a barrel.

Multiple promotions in the offing then.

Many rumours currently circulating about this particular issue but they all seem boil down to a supplier (in Turkey?) and a lack of specifications. Although there's a lot also being said about the standard of the refurbishment work that has been completed too.

 

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5 hours ago, Apple said:

Two years...and still counting.  Unbelievable.  Have any of the MHK candidates mentioned this fiasco.?

You can't see Josem slating the department the leader.

I also wonder if he will say "lets keep the flumimg bastards honest".

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You do worry that some of the people responsible for these broken slides might have been re-allocated to assist with our front line covid response and are currently driving to the wrong house, to knock on the wrong door, to interview the wrong people, and that they won’t even get to the wrong house as their clown car will run out of petrol before they leave the carpark. 

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It may have been a few bob cheaper getting here flumes from Turkey but as with most things if things go wrong and you have used unreliable sources that is when the shit hits the fan the concern in Turkey will not give a fig about lost reputation they will be busy selling crap to the next sucker.

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2 hours ago, hissingsid said:

It may have been a few bob cheaper getting here flumes from Turkey but as with most things if things go wrong and you have used unreliable sources that is when the shit hits the fan the concern in Turkey will not give a fig about lost reputation they will be busy selling crap to the next sucker.

The trouble with something as specialised as this is that there may actually be no UK manufacturers and only a handful that might be available.  That said, they have been arguing over this for more than a year.  While a supplier within the EU might have meant that things progressed more smoothly, as I said above, it looks like the real reason is that the DESC people made serious errors with the specification.  Like a lot of Manx civil servants they have since been more concerned with not admitting they were wrong than with actually supplying the service they are supposed to.  I can't help wondering if Allinson taking over in the Spring is the only thing that got this going again - but it may still be years before the pool reopens.

Of course the fact they couldn't specify it properly might also mean that they failed to get the right supplier, but the way it looks like they've had to climb down suggests the initial problem lies with the DESC.

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43 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The trouble with something as specialised as this is that there may actually be no UK manufacturers and only a handful that might be available.  That said, they have been arguing over this for more than a year.  While a supplier within the EU might have meant that things progressed more smoothly, as I said above, it looks like the real reason is that the DESC people made serious errors with the specification.  Like a lot of Manx civil servants they have since been more concerned with not admitting they were wrong than with actually supplying the service they are supposed to.  I can't help wondering if Allinson taking over in the Spring is the only thing that got this going again - but it may still be years before the pool reopens.

Of course the fact they couldn't specify it properly might also mean that they failed to get the right supplier, but the way it looks like they've had to climb down suggests the initial problem lies with the DESC.

We'll just put it down to experience and add it to the ever growing list of DoI cock ups. We should be keeping a definitive list for future reference, whatever good that would do?

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I suppose it depends on who is in charge. The reality is that anyone who gets elected and ends up in charge of any government dept is woefully under qualified and almost always inept , same ad the UK really. So who runs things , the CM or the CS?  The film dumb and dumber comes to mind.

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And why is the cafe at nsc shut? That should be a goldmine!

Why don't govt settle for a percentage of the profit as rent, rather than charge fixed rent that makes it impossible for a commercial operator to make a profit?

(I speculate this is what's happening)

 

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2 hours ago, Max Power said:

We'll just put it down to experience and add it to the ever growing list of DoI cock ups. We should be keeping a definitive list for future reference, whatever good that would do?

We don't really know whose cock-up it is.  The DESC is probably full of people who think they know everything about swimming pools, just as Proffitt though he knew everything about power stations and the DoI think they know everything about, well, everything.  While in reality they know so little that they don't even know how little they know.

But of course we'll never find out who made the actual choices - responsibility will be spread so thin as to make it meaningless, even if (especially if) one person pushed the whole thing through.

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3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

We don't really know whose cock-up it is.  The DESC is probably full of people who think they know everything about swimming pools, just as Proffitt though he knew everything about power stations and the DoI think they know everything about, well, everything.  While in reality they know so little that they don't even know how little they know.

But of course we'll never find out who made the actual choices - responsibility will be spread so thin as to make it meaningless, even if (especially if) one person pushed the whole thing through.

.........  and all the time hard earned taxpayers cash trickles through their inept fingers and disappears down the drain !

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