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5 hours ago, woolley said:

Glitch with the pool floor according to the bush. Engineers investigating. 

Infestation of pocket sharks in the deep end according to people.

The glow in the dark ones, not the normal ones, so they're going to keep the lights off so you can see the sharks coming at you.  Until they get the frickin' lasers working.

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Not sure what yesterday was like but the quiet session this morning was dead (fittingly). The 10:30 session was busy though, good to see the pool back in action.

Peering over into the little ones splash area, it is going to be fantastic when it’s finally opened.

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1 hour ago, immortalpuppet said:

Not sure what yesterday was like but the quiet session this morning was dead (fittingly). The 10:30 session was busy though, good to see the pool back in action.

Peering over into the little ones splash area, it is going to be fantastic when it’s finally opened.

By the time that happens, they won’t be so little...

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On 8/16/2019 at 11:56 AM, woolley said:

Glitch with the pool floor according to the bush. Engineers investigating. 

Never heard one speak tbh. Growl maybe :ph34r:

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Does anyone know if there are usually any cost implications / penalties for overrun to the main contractors on government projects like this and or things like the promenade? Would be interesting to FOI the contract on this, unless it's already been published somewhere?

If delays are truly unforeseeable then that is understandable, however in this instance (as with the vast majority it feels like) it doesn't sound like that is the case.    

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9 hours ago, maynragh said:

Does anyone know if there are usually any cost implications / penalties for overrun to the main contractors on government projects like this and or things like the promenade? Would be interesting to FOI the contract on this, unless it's already been published somewhere?

If delays are truly unforeseeable then that is understandable, however in this instance (as with the vast majority it feels like) it doesn't sound like that is the case.    

In both the cases you mention there have been announcements of unforeseen problems being encountered. If you ever brought a builder in to work on your property you'll be familiar with how quickly 50k can become over 100k. 

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5 minutes ago, woolley said:

In both the cases you mention there have been announcements of unforeseen problems being encountered. If you ever brought a builder in to work on your property you'll be familiar with how quickly 50k can become over 100k. 

There's a shit ton of written questions about the Prom that various MHKs have submitted for today's "sitting" of Tynwald. They should be up online later. 

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7 minutes ago, woolley said:

In both the cases you mention there have been announcements of unforeseen problems being encountered. If you ever brought a builder in to work on your property you'll be familiar with how quickly 50k can become over 100k. 

I have experience in construction, so yes I fully understand how those things happen. I also understand the difference between truly unforeseen (actually fairly rare), and merely 'can't be bothered' to foresee, or worse 'not in my interest' to foresee (producing the vast majority of additional costs and delays in most construction projects). Even a bog standard construction contract like a JCT covers contractor caused and employer caused delays - and the cost consequences of each. Given what has been stated about the NSC delays already it seems fairly clear it's one of those - either required specification not correctly relayed by government, and or then managed by the main contractor. If the contractor dropped the ball then presumably it will cost them, if the department dropped the ball it will cost us - but does anyone know which of those it is, and what form of contract they use?

 

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27 minutes ago, maynragh said:

I have experience in construction, so yes I fully understand how those things happen. I also understand the difference between truly unforeseen (actually fairly rare), and merely 'can't be bothered' to foresee, or worse 'not in my interest' to foresee (producing the vast majority of additional costs and delays in most construction projects). Even a bog standard construction contract like a JCT covers contractor caused and employer caused delays - and the cost consequences of each. Given what has been stated about the NSC delays already it seems fairly clear it's one of those - either required specification not correctly relayed by government, and or then managed by the main contractor. If the contractor dropped the ball then presumably it will cost them, if the department dropped the ball it will cost us - but does anyone know which of those it is, and what form of contract they use?

 

speak to Mr Cretiney, he's the contracts king...

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11 hours ago, Neil Down said:

speak to Mr Cretiney, he's the contracts king...

Cretiney or Cretney?

Cretney was heavily involved in the EFW contract wasn't he. I have a copy of that one and it's decidedly not in our favour. 

It should be possible to FOI the contracts for things like the NSC and the promenade as the two current examples, I just wondered if anyone knew what form they took.

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3 minutes ago, maynragh said:

Cretiney or Cretney?

Cretney was heavily involved in the EFW contract wasn't he. I have a copy of that one and it's decidedly not in our favour. 

It should be possible to FOI the contracts for things like the NSC and the promenade as the two current examples, I just wondered if anyone knew what form they took.

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