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Well, I read this this morning and have just stopped laughing at this story.

Maybe if Mr Boot cares such much about climate change, he should consider selling his diesel burning Chelsea Tractor I saw him climbing into in Shoprite's car park in Peel the other day..Just saying.

 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/urgent-action-on-climate-change-must-be-taken-now/

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45 minutes ago, Manx Bean said:

Well, I read this this morning and have just stopped laughing at this story.

Maybe if Mr Boot cares such much about climate change, he should consider selling his diesel burning Chelsea Tractor I saw him climbing into in Shoprite's car park in Peel the other day..Just saying.

 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/urgent-action-on-climate-change-must-be-taken-now/

In other words, the kids outside Tynwald offices frightened him. If Baron Boot could convince China and the USA to do something about the crap they belch out into the atmosphere then he will have achieved something towards "climate change"

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I don't think any politicians, anywhere, have the guts to face the facts, tell people what needs to be done and do what needs to be done.  For example, the Manx Radio article talks about "planning for when the Pulrose Power Station is scheduled for decommissioning in 2030."  OK, let's talk about that.  The power station uses 110 million cubic metres of natural gas per year to generate most of the island's electricity.  That makes a sizable contribution towards global warming, and at some point we will have to stop burning natural gas anyway because there is a finite supply of it.  The energy generated by the power station (4,000 million megajoules per year) could in theory be generated by 45 8MW wind turbines stationed around the island, similar to the ones you can see on a clear day in Liverpool Bay.  If the Pulrose station is to be decommissioned in 11 years, we would need to start building those wind turbines now so they are ready to come online in 2030.  So far, we haven't managed to build a single wind turbine, never mind 45 of them, because the NIMBYs don't want to spoil the view.  And that's quite apart from the upfront cost, which would probably be much greater than building another gas-fired power station.  And it also doesn't take into account the fact that we buy more gas than we need from the UK, turn it into electricity and then sell it back to the UK, although quite how that works as a long term business plan I'm not sure, because you'd have thought that if the UK got wind of what we are doing, it might cut out the middleman and build its own gas turbine...  I actually can't see Mr Boot or Tynwald making the necessary difficult decisions and hard choices about any of this. 

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22 minutes ago, PmJ said:

In other words, the kids outside Tynwald offices frightened him. If Baron Boot could convince China and the USA to do something about the crap they belch out into the atmosphere then he will have achieved something towards "climate change"

Well this is it innit, (in kids voice: “if there not doing it, why should we”).  It is exactly why we should BE doing it, why can’t the IoM be innovative, forefront in the world because our leaders can’t or are too scared to do it, it’s always chasing whatever other nations have done, which isn’t always right.

Why can’t we say in 15years time and say to the world, look at us, fossil fuel free, single plastic free, green energy, passive homes. Then the world will look at us for a change. 

Unfortunately no one has the vision, the government are always in the ‘now’ and leaning towards the UK. Time for some radical thinking, however there isn’t any. 

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Politicians cannot be relied upon to take seriously any issue that impacts beyond the next election; see the adjacent Island for an extreme example.

Older voters cannot be relied upon to take seriously any issue that will not fully impact until they are long dead; see the adjacent Island for an extreme example.

I believe that as a first world country we have a responsibility to lead the way in demonstrating that we can generate electricity without the need to burn hydro-carbons to do so; I appreciate that the building of green energy generators has a significant carbon footprint but this will diminish over time; if green energy is used to build green energy generators then it is greener (apologies for making a clunky point!)

We have ample wind, significant tides and a reasonable amount of sunlight.

The Isle of Man is the perfect test-bed for demonstrating both progressive politics and an environmentally sustained society. We just have to wait for the quasi-Tory voters and politicians to get the message.

All power to the kids who protested at Tynwald.

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Gizo beat me to it.
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The island could be a perfect model in tidal power.... if we hadn't saddled ourselves with debt on other means of power generation.

The answer to the bigger problem lies not with politicians.  

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I wish there was some perspective in this debate - CO2 emissions aren't the whole story of the man-made element of climate change of course but it's likely a major contributory factor to warming.

According to this report, (admittedly from 2011, but can't imagine it's changed significantly since then) Isle of Man CO2 emissions were 47,000t.

Of course we should seek to minimise this in whatever way we can. Say we managed a 50% reduction, 23,500t.

Nice info graphic here on coal fired power stations - figures for ONE coal fired power station in UK -  Drax Power Station UK - 2,700,000t CO2 emissions.

China spending $36Bn on coal fired power - here 

Our emissions are not even a drop in the ocean if this site claiming global emissions in 2018 of CO2 are 37.15 Billion tonnes or 37,150,000,000t

So the Isle of Man currently contributes 0.00013% of global CO2 emissions....a 50% reduction in our emissions (at cost£££??) would take us down to 0.000065%
 

Listened to the new Green party leader last night on the radio, and I think most people would agree with their point that we should look to sustainable energy generation in the future.

Gizo, I agree with your point, we should be radical and a shining example of how to run a country sustainably in terms of energy/agriculture/plastics etc.

But the big question is how to do it?  It will need paying for, and renewable sources are not on-demand, so you also need some form of energy capture/storage.

The gas in our waters is the only way Govt can get sufficient funding required to invest in renewables (tidal/wind) whilst managing our own energy requirements during the transition phase.

 

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Wind, solar and tidal power, electric cars, all have an environmental cost though. We could probably reduce the islands gas emissions more by making veganism compulsory and making it a requirement that all new buildings are passive in regard to carbon and energy. But that might upset two of the vested interests here though.

The basic problem is too many people using too many resources and no politician is going to do anything other than grandstand about it all

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The ridiculous debts of the MEA are holding us back, everyone involved in that bullshit is a cunt.

Here we are on an Island, a mini country, where it is always windy. Total wind turbines zero. Pathetic. We are somewhere where the total amount of driving a normal person is likely to do in a day is less than 100 miles, so there should be many more electric cars. Hopefully as the technology becomes theoretically becomes cheaper we'll see more. We shouldn't be too hung up on the co2 thing, because as b4mbi points out in the grand scheme of things it is nothing. We should be looking for ways to stop fagging the world up with crap though, and burning it is probably not the right answer.

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20 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

The ridiculous debts of the MEA are holding us back, everyone involved in that bullshit is a cunt.

Here we are on an Island, a mini country, where it is always windy. Total wind turbines zero. Pathetic. We are somewhere where the total amount of driving a normal person is likely to do in a day is less than 100 miles, so there should be many more electric cars. Hopefully as the technology becomes theoretically becomes cheaper we'll see more. We shouldn't be too hung up on the co2 thing, because as b4mbi points out in the grand scheme of things it is nothing. We should be looking for ways to stop fagging the world up with crap though, and burning it is probably not the right answer.

wind turbines need a backup........=twice the cost...........

hydro is the way forward........

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Tidal Power! The tide goes in and out twice a day, every day. There were recently people interested in investing in this, what happened? Well, all of it would be sold to the UK as we are tied into gas, it wasn't viable to rely on the UK as a customer so it has faded away. 

Then you get articles like this, who do you believe? 

 https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/?fbclid=IwAR3M3rVcIOLvuyndvteBfd1snaAugcPqucz-TKHllkzBKklYbjGY5A370OQ#355ef0a73de0

The sun has been going through a warming up faze and is apparently now going through a cooling period, this could last 20 years or so. We are subjected to conflicting information all the time so I guess the best thing is to always strive to do what is safest.

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13 minutes ago, woody2 said:

wind turbines need a backup........=twice the cost...........

hydro is the way forward........

Except it isn't twice the cost, they already have the back up. And they probably don't need the back up that much because it is always bloody windy!

Hydro maybe is the way forward, but in the absence of any decent sized rivers we have to look at tidal and wave, and these come with their own problems. You'd imagine there could well be a way of using the insane rips through the Sound (ever been through on a kayak? Loads of fun), but err, seals. 

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28 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Except it isn't twice the cost, they already have the back up. And they probably don't need the back up that much because it is always bloody windy!

Hydro maybe is the way forward, but in the absence of any decent sized rivers we have to look at tidal and wave, and these come with their own problems. You'd imagine there could well be a way of using the insane rips through the Sound (ever been through on a kayak? Loads of fun), but err, seals. 

it is twice the cost because of the amount of generator parks needed......see how many the uk has......

hydro doesn't need rivers.......man made lakes do the job......

wave power hasn't worked on any of the uk test sites plus you need power storage......mega bucks......

a tidal lagoon would work........

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2 minutes ago, woody2 said:

hydro doesn't need rivers.......man made lakes do the job......

Plenty of opportunities for those over here eh? I've been to the pumped storage place in Llanberis, it is incredible, not an option for the isle of man.

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