Promenade - Megathread

[thesultanofsheight 9,454]

3 minutes ago, hampsterkahn said:

It seems that as the tramway is new , it can no longer be entitled to “grandfather “ rights in terms of  safety - signaling etc.

Exactly. So we no longer have a heritage feature at all so it’s all been a total waste of time and money. 

[Dirty Buggane 200]

Perchance the Sefton has a few of the good old boys that retired from the boys club. Sorry the government. And are having an untoward amount of influence on the incumbent boys club, Sorry I mean Government, m.w. being one

[Derek Flint 4,150]

The tramway that is being built is intrinsically unsafe. How they got it through planning is a mystery 

[war baby 501]

It should have been built on the seaward side.  That was the only sensible plan, other than mine, which is to put an oval banked track on the Summerland site with an electric horse.

[Non-Believer 12,873]

6 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

The tramway that is being built is intrinsically unsafe. How they got it through planning is a mystery 

Given the various aspects that appear to have been incorporated or pushed through without any higher discussion or approval, would regard for planning matters even have been a consideration if they even existed? 

[slinkydevil 4,899]

Just wait unitl they get to the point of laying all that crazy paving over the 'shared space' shown in the early mockups. Should add another year or two on to the project.

[Ham_N_Eggs 1,014]

42 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

The tramway that is being built is intrinsically unsafe. How they got it through planning is a mystery 

Isn't Baker is the Chair of the Planning Committee?

[Numbnuts 1,233]

45 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

Just wait unitl they get to the point of laying all that crazy paving over the 'shared space' shown in the early mockups. Should add another year or two on to the project.

Particularly if you remember how long it took to do Strand Street etc agree totally . Me thinks that might be dropped due to overspend etc 

[Neil Down 8,016]

1 hour ago, Derek Flint said:

The tramway that is being built is intrinsically unsafe. How they got it through planning is a mystery 

Longtail is involved... where’s the feckin mystery?

[Roger Mexico 9,841]

57 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Isn't Baker is the Chair of the Planning Committee?

He is indeed, which means whenever a DoI application comes up, he has to leave the meeting.  Which makes him a fairly useless Chair to be honest.  It's another example of how this 'double-jobbing' by MHKs is designed to make them ineffective.  Which of course is the point - and one that, despite Lisvane's objections, actually has got worse under this government.

There is absolutely no point in having the responsibility for some part of a Department, unless you also have the power to be able to change it[1].  Otherwise you just become another PR person bullshitting and apologising away without ever putting anything right.  Given that even Ministers under Quayle aren't allowed to have any say in running their Departments (as we saw with Beecroft) then being a Departmental Member has no real purpose except for that 30% or 40% percent extra for being humiliated by the daily reminder of your impotence.

 

[1]  I mean proper systematic change, not getting the potholes filled in a constituent's road because they've been mithering you.  Unfortunately that sort of petty clientelism seems to be limits of what most MHKs think they are there for.

[Numbnuts 1,233]

15 minutes ago, Grounds Keeper Willy said:

Where is his desk? In the car park? 

With any luck in one of the alleged voids on the Prom ! 

[Non-Believer 12,873]

On 1/27/2020 at 9:24 AM, MrPB said:

Are you suggesting that the DOI is the latest incarnation of our fascination with fake industries? Just like the film industry years ago. Employ a few people, rip up roads, do next to nothing about it but make it look like a major project, then bill just the materials and everything else to claim the VAT? 

I wonder what the VAT count is on the various contractors' invoices on a £23M+ project though? Could well be a substantial contribution to a national claim under an annual VAT sharing arrangement?

But what other earthly reason (apart from obvious executive-level ineptitude) could be behind this sort of total clusterfuck being tolerated, apparently ad infinitum?

[John Wright 8,337]

4 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

I wonder what the VAT count is on the various contractors' invoices on a £23M+ project though? Could well be a substantial contribution to a national claim under an annual VAT sharing arrangement?

But what other earthly reason (apart from obvious executive-level ineptitude) could be behind this sort of total clusterfuck being tolerated, apparently ad infinitum?

That’s. Not. How. The. VAT. Share. Agreement. Works.

[Neil Down 8,016]

4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

That’s. Not. How. The. VAT. Share. Agreement. Works.

Have you got a surplus of full stops to get rid of John

[John Wright 8,337]

1 minute ago, Neil Down said:

Have you got a surplus of full stops to get rid of John

Just trying to make it simple for Non-Believer.