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I've explained this before Derek. From a friend working for a firm who is responsible for lots of services  , not Auldyn etc , while they had a concept plan from day one ie what the finished job would

It's not Harmer's direct fault. Nor any of those we elect. APART from not having the departmental and relevant experience and balls to stand up to and question the reams of bullshitters and chanc

But the problem isn't the horse trams.  It's the corporate culture of the Manx civil service.  Rather than accept the reality of what their main job is, which is maintain existing structures in the mo

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6 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

The tramway that is being built is intrinsically unsafe. How they got it through planning is a mystery 

Given the various aspects that appear to have been incorporated or pushed through without any higher discussion or approval, would regard for planning matters even have been a consideration if they even existed? 

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45 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

Just wait unitl they get to the point of laying all that crazy paving over the 'shared space' shown in the early mockups. Should add another year or two on to the project.

Particularly if you remember how long it took to do Strand Street etc agree totally . Me thinks that might be dropped due to overspend etc 

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1 hour ago, Derek Flint said:

The tramway that is being built is intrinsically unsafe. How they got it through planning is a mystery 

Longtail is involved... where’s the feckin mystery?

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57 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Isn't Baker is the Chair of the Planning Committee?

He is indeed, which means whenever a DoI application comes up, he has to leave the meeting.  Which makes him a fairly useless Chair to be honest.  It's another example of how this 'double-jobbing' by MHKs is designed to make them ineffective.  Which of course is the point - and one that, despite Lisvane's objections, actually has got worse under this government.

There is absolutely no point in having the responsibility for some part of a Department, unless you also have the power to be able to change it[1].  Otherwise you just become another PR person bullshitting and apologising away without ever putting anything right.  Given that even Ministers under Quayle aren't allowed to have any say in running their Departments (as we saw with Beecroft) then being a Departmental Member has no real purpose except for that 30% or 40% percent extra for being humiliated by the daily reminder of your impotence.

 

[1]  I mean proper systematic change, not getting the potholes filled in a constituent's road because they've been mithering you.  Unfortunately that sort of petty clientelism seems to be limits of what most MHKs think they are there for.

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On 1/27/2020 at 9:24 AM, MrPB said:

Are you suggesting that the DOI is the latest incarnation of our fascination with fake industries? Just like the film industry years ago. Employ a few people, rip up roads, do next to nothing about it but make it look like a major project, then bill just the materials and everything else to claim the VAT? 

I wonder what the VAT count is on the various contractors' invoices on a £23M+ project though? Could well be a substantial contribution to a national claim under an annual VAT sharing arrangement?

But what other earthly reason (apart from obvious executive-level ineptitude) could be behind this sort of total clusterfuck being tolerated, apparently ad infinitum?

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4 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

I wonder what the VAT count is on the various contractors' invoices on a £23M+ project though? Could well be a substantial contribution to a national claim under an annual VAT sharing arrangement?

But what other earthly reason (apart from obvious executive-level ineptitude) could be behind this sort of total clusterfuck being tolerated, apparently ad infinitum?

That’s. Not. How. The. VAT. Share. Agreement. Works.

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