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I've explained this before Derek. From a friend working for a firm who is responsible for lots of services  , not Auldyn etc , while they had a concept plan from day one ie what the finished job would

It's not Harmer's direct fault. Nor any of those we elect. APART from not having the departmental and relevant experience and balls to stand up to and question the reams of bullshitters and chanc

But the problem isn't the horse trams.  It's the corporate culture of the Manx civil service.  Rather than accept the reality of what their main job is, which is maintain existing structures in the mo

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I actually think the 1.3 million is money well spent providing that ammount can be justified . It can only encourage more off road walking and cycling etc which is a good thing for so many reasons. Pity they got rid of them in the first place .Imagine if the railways bridge was still there at Glen  . How cool would that be to walk along 

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14 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

I actually think the 1.3 million is money well spent providing that ammount can be justified . It can only encourage more off road walking and cycling etc which is a good thing for so many reasons. Pity they got rid of them in the first place .Imagine if the railways bridge was still there at Glen  . How cool would that be to walk along 

Agreed, 100%. The problem is that the DOI are doing it. So that's £3M+ by the time it's finished. Presumably with an open-ended timeframe too.

So more potential resources (public and/or private contracted) diverted from Douglas Promenade for the duration which should clearly be taking priority in the name of appearance, transport convenience and national embarrassment.

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8 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Agreed, 100%. The problem is that the DOI are doing it. So that's £3M+ by the time it's finished. Presumably with an open-ended timeframe too.

So more potential resources (public and/or private contracted) diverted from Douglas Promenade for the duration which should clearly be taking priority in the name of appearance, transport convenience and national embarrassment.

Agree re DOI. Also they have the sea wall to build also down there  for 500.000 so theres another overspend too .. thats supposed to have started by now 

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16 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

It actually seems like a fantastic idea.   We need more of these routes for locals and tourist alike to be able to exercise and explore away from busy roads.

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8 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

It actually seems like a fantastic idea.   We need more of these routes for locals and tourist alike to be able to exercise and explore away from busy roads.

But the path is already there and has been since 1976, you just have to walk into and out of the valleys, so minimal cost to maintain it as it is. I walk it often and it is great at the moment. I do not think it is essential to do this even if it might be a good to have item

No mention of the subsidence issue by them either, if they decide for safety to do something about that it will cost many millions.

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A significantly cheaper option is to apply pressure on certain landowners to allow the coastal path to be actually near the coast in several key areas.

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17 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

Thing is, are these being built to assist people to get to work (to reduce the amount of car traffic on the roads) or just for leisure purposes? Why can't the existing trails be left as they are for walkers only? 

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Meanwhile back on the Prom they're now deciding that two way traffic is a good idea anyway:

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Isle of Man Government is adding a return lane to Douglas Promenade that will help businesses on the south end of the Promenade by allowing northbound traffic to return south along the walkway.

Running from the access point used for walkway parking at Christmas through to the Sea Terminal, cars will be able to return alongside the Sea Wall in a fully coned segregated area, leaving over ten metres of width for other users. 

The measure will help businesses make their deliveries and enable customers to be dropped off or picked up by car or taxi. 

Infrastructure Minster Tim Baker MHK said:

‘We are committed to getting the Promenade done and we will be getting it done by the end of March so we can make a success of next year’s visitor season. I am very aware that this comes with short term impacts and will do what I can to help without compromising the delivery of the scheme.

‘The return lane will help residents and businesses at the south end of the Prom; those at the north end can use Empress Drive or Port Jack to return south. Meanwhile we are retaining most of the walkway for use by pedestrians, cyclists and, if necessary, the emergency services. We announced the changes to Marina Road and Summerhill in early June and have plenty of time to install the return lane next week so it is ready when the closures take place later this month.

‘The Department remains willing to adapt its plans in the light of experience and feedback, provided this can be done without affecting the delivery of the scheme. For example we recently extended the left turn lane at St Ninian’s and added a cyclist advance stop line to help this junction cope better with the 10,000 extra cars a day heading south.

‘The Department will continue to make what changes it can to support local businesses and residents. I am currently reviewing the provision of parking in Douglas and plan to use the imminent return of both Chester Street and Drumgold Street car parks to our management to help those affected by the Promenade works.’

 

(Manx Radio has a cut down version of this press release as 'new' but you might as well get it straight from the organ grinder).

 

 

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On 7/9/2020 at 7:11 PM, quilp said:

It might make sense if the intention is to create a long, well-maintained cycling/walking route. 

I thought that was precisely the intention...isn’t it?

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DoI taking back Chester and Drumgold car parks??? That's new!

Did DCorp want to get rid? or are the Doi going to reduce the charges that Dlas wouldn't? Or are they going to be ''Cycle and Bus routs???

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4 hours ago, Kopek said:

DoI taking back Chester and Drumgold car parks??? That's new!

Did DCorp want to get rid? or are the Doi going to reduce the charges that Dlas wouldn't? Or are they going to be ''Cycle and Bus routs???

Apparently DC wanted a reduction it what they pay to government and they said no. Income had reduced so they said take them back then. 

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8 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

Apparently DC wanted a reduction it what they pay to government and they said no. Income had reduced so they said take them back then. 

like the horse trams then,  if the corpy dumps much more back to government it will be dumping itself out of existence, winner winner

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