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1 minute ago, Non-Believer said:

Full page spread on P3 of tonight's Indy, Mr Baker given many column inches to explain the Prom situation, including that he "inherited" much of this.

I’m sure he’s a nice man but he’s about as much use as a chocolate fire guard. 

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I've explained this before Derek. From a friend working for a firm who is responsible for lots of services  , not Auldyn etc , while they had a concept plan from day one ie what the finished job would

It's not Harmer's direct fault. Nor any of those we elect. APART from not having the departmental and relevant experience and balls to stand up to and question the reams of bullshitters and chanc

But the problem isn't the horse trams.  It's the corporate culture of the Manx civil service.  Rather than accept the reality of what their main job is, which is maintain existing structures in the mo

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

"And people don't mind the inconvenience as long as they can see progress".

Really ! Deluded muppet , Majority of people have given up long ago as its been clear DOI haven't a clue from day one as suggested by most from the start. Progress was slow , yes it was why !!??? Because they didnt have the detailed plans for the contractors ready hence the jumping around and nothing done for months. Harmer said 50/60 men on the job from the start , most will agree we were lucky to see 10 . No weekend work , no sensible work plan to lessen disruption to business and seemingly a dont care attitude from everyone involved. If there isnt a clearout and a new policy regarding DOI theres something serious corrupt about the powers that be.  What part of tax payers money wasted continually dont they get . 

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22 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Really ! Deluded muppet , Majority of people have given up long ago as its been clear DOI haven't a clue from day one as suggested by most from the start. Progress was slow , yes it was why !!??? Because they didnt have the detailed plans for the contractors ready hence the jumping around and nothing done for months. Harmer said 50/60 men on the job from the start , most will agree we were lucky to see 10 . No weekend work , no sensible work plan to lessen disruption to business and seemingly a dont care attitude from everyone involved. If there isnt a clearout and a new policy regarding DOI theres something serious corrupt about the powers that be.  What part of tax payers money wasted continually dont they get . 

Are you new to the island??

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9 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

Really ! Deluded muppet , Majority of people have given up long ago as its been clear DOI haven't a clue from day one as suggested by most from the start. Progress was slow , yes it was why !!??? Because they didnt have the detailed plans for the contractors ready hence the jumping around and nothing done for months. Harmer said 50/60 men on the job from the start , most will agree we were lucky to see 10 . No weekend work , no sensible work plan to lessen disruption to business and seemingly a dont care attitude from everyone involved. If there isnt a clearout and a new policy regarding DOI theres something serious corrupt about the powers that be.  What part of tax payers money wasted continually dont they get . 

Typical IOM public sector shit-show. But it’s certainly now going to see a few businesses go to the wall. How some have kept going is beyond me. And to have this heap of crap dumped on them on top of Covid is simply unbelievable. How there have not been protests by now simply amazes me. If they’d have done this to my business I’d have been out well before now. Does anyone remember the “stop the rot” protests of many years back? I’d say it’s time for people to now take control and give these useless fuckers what they deserve. 

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It’s easy to shrug and say that’s the island, what can you do and that’s why it never changes and it never will until we address the root cause of what is epitomised on the Prom. 
 
The guys on the job are unsupervised and don't care.
BECAUSE their supervisors and managers stopped caring years ago for an easy life.
BECAUSE their self-serving Directors Robinson and Black are not up to the job so opt for softer and softer budgets and time scales. Trouble with that culture is no matter how low they set the bar they still limbo under it resulting in the horror show on we see now on the Prom. 
BECAUSE the politicians that are supposed to hold public servants like Black to account are incapable/afraid of doing so because they don't know how and were never actually elected to do so.
BECAUSE the majority of those politicians are inexperienced independents, elected on local issues with no overriding national priorities. They vaguely wing it for as long as they can whilst Black and his colleagues recruit them and just carry on. whilst Tax payers keep paying a fortune for the whole sorry charade.
BECAUSE there isn't a group, party, whatever you want to call it, left or right wing, recruiting enough capable candidates to jointly command a majority in the Keys that can ensure the island is governed with a real strategy. 
A team that could actually achieve something domestically (starting with the DOI) and internationally. 
Wouldn't that be preferable to putting up with the cost and shame of the current self serving incompetent lot that are epitomised on the Prom. 
Any ambitious budding politicians out there take note and get your heads together!

 

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2 hours ago, Southfork said:

Typical IOM public sector shit-show. But it’s certainly now going to see a few businesses go to the wall. How some have kept going is beyond me. And to have this heap of crap dumped on them on top of Covid is simply unbelievable. How there have not been protests by now simply amazes me. If they’d have done this to my business I’d have been out well before now. Does anyone remember the “stop the rot” protests of many years back? I’d say it’s time for people to now take control and give these useless fuckers what they deserve. 

Where were these "stop the rot" protests held?

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On 8/12/2020 at 11:21 PM, Non-Believer said:

We had a tranche of new politicians at the last election. Look what happened since? They are put in Departmental post and are then, for some strange reason, obliged to defend that Dept to the hilt regardless of the magnitude of the foul up. Baker now at DOI is a sterling example.

Unless we all believe that he's seriously knocking some heads together behind the scenes the DOI (and it's promenade to name but one) are carrying on regardless.

Well, if you listen to this (airport not opening saga), you can hear that it's not his job to relieve someone of their duty or indeed to kick their arse.... that's left to the management process. So in other words..... nothing will happen, as usual.

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24 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Well, if you listen to this (airport not opening saga), you can hear that it's not his job to relieve someone of their duty or indeed to kick their arse.... that's left to the management process. So in other words..... nothing will happen, as usual.

Yes that struck me as extraordinary as well.  Apparently it's not the Minister's job to even know if any action has been taken to identify the problem or do something about those responsible.  That's all for the operational managers, and if if the operational managers that made mistakes ... well that's clearly inconceivable, so there's no need to even think about correcting them, they are infallible.

This is the situation the Manx government has got itself into, where the politicians are reduced to vague-apologisers for whatever their senior civil servants do, without knowing or caring what it is.  And it suits both sides: the civil servants can do whatever they want without any responsibility;  the politicians get paid lots of money without having to know what is going on.  The only time recently that a politician tried to hold a civil servant to account (though you also wonder why they were so keen to get rid of Thomas), Beecroft was sacked with great indignation.

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Mr Baker now claiming (MR News online) that the Island population "became comfortable with active travel during lockdown" (ie pushbikes) and now is the time for further investment in the associated infrastructure. Apparently supported by Bill Shimmins.

Any evidence to support this statement? Or is it something else that's been dreamed up on the back of Harmer and a few civil servant's fetish being imposed on the taxpayer and nation in general?

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2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Mr Baker now claiming (MR News online) that the Island population "became comfortable with active travel during lockdown" (ie pushbikes) and now is the time for further investment in the associated infrastructure. Apparently supported by Bill Shimmins.

Any evidence to support this statement? Or is it something else that's been dreamed up on the back of Harmer and a few civil servant's fetish being imposed on the taxpayer and nation in general?

If that's the case, they won't have to build the carparks at the plantations they've planned. 

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you can't easily convey a dog by bicycle - it is probably dog walkers who dominate the need for car parks near trees other where else does one hang the poo for the fairies to remove it.

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1 hour ago, Frances said:

you can't easily convey a dog by bicycle - it is probably dog walkers who dominate the need for car parks near trees other where else does one hang the poo for the fairies to remove it.

The car park's will be used more for dogging than dog walking!

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On 8/14/2020 at 11:11 AM, Lewis said:
It’s easy to shrug and say that’s the island, what can you do and that’s why it never changes and it never will until we address the root cause of what is epitomised on the Prom. 
 
The guys on the job are unsupervised and don't care.
BECAUSE their supervisors and managers stopped caring years ago for an easy life.
BECAUSE their self-serving Directors Robinson and Black are not up to the job so opt for softer and softer budgets and time scales. Trouble with that culture is no matter how low they set the bar they still limbo under it resulting in the horror show on we see now on the Prom. 
BECAUSE the politicians that are supposed to hold public servants like Black to account are incapable/afraid of doing so because they don't know how and were never actually elected to do so.
BECAUSE the majority of those politicians are inexperienced independents, elected on local issues with no overriding national priorities. They vaguely wing it for as long as they can whilst Black and his colleagues recruit them and just carry on. whilst Tax payers keep paying a fortune for the whole sorry charade.
BECAUSE there isn't a group, party, whatever you want to call it, left or right wing, recruiting enough capable candidates to jointly command a majority in the Keys that can ensure the island is governed with a real strategy. 
A team that could actually achieve something domestically (starting with the DOI) and internationally. 
Wouldn't that be preferable to putting up with the cost and shame of the current self serving incompetent lot that are epitomised on the Prom. 
Any ambitious budding politicians out there take note and get your heads together!

 

So please explain for the doubters like me, how 13 or14 MHKs from one party, who are told how to vote by one party leader, be better for the prom works, for instance, than the same amount of independent MHKs voting individually ?

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