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On 8/14/2020 at 1:56 PM, Roger Mexico said:

Yes that struck me as extraordinary as well.  Apparently it's not the Minister's job to even know if any action has been taken to identify the problem or do something about those responsible.  That's all for the operational managers, and if if the operational managers that made mistakes ... well that's clearly inconceivable, so there's no need to even think about correcting them, they are infallible.

This is the situation the Manx government has got itself into, where the politicians are reduced to vague-apologisers for whatever their senior civil servants do, without knowing or caring what it is.  And it suits both sides: the civil servants can do whatever they want without any responsibility;  the politicians get paid lots of money without having to know what is going on.  The only time recently that a politician tried to hold a civil servant to account (though you also wonder why they were so keen to get rid of Thomas), Beecroft was sacked with great indignation.

I anticipate that this will be very much the similar case with Manx Care. Give them a mandate, give them the money, let them get on with it. Independent regulator can deal with any complaints etc and levy fines or whatever. Nothing to do with us any more. 

Any news on the completed tender process for the private patient contractor for PPU yet? It was supposed to be completed by end March.

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I've explained this before Derek. From a friend working for a firm who is responsible for lots of services  , not Auldyn etc , while they had a concept plan from day one ie what the finished job would

It's not Harmer's direct fault. Nor any of those we elect. APART from not having the departmental and relevant experience and balls to stand up to and question the reams of bullshitters and chanc

But the problem isn't the horse trams.  It's the corporate culture of the Manx civil service.  Rather than accept the reality of what their main job is, which is maintain existing structures in the mo

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2 hours ago, dilligaf said:

So please explain for the doubters like me, how 13 or14 MHKs from one party, who are told how to vote by one party leader, be better for the prom works, for instance, than the same amount of independent MHKs voting individually ?

It’s about the ability to get things done with a majority and the joint accountability to the mandate it came from. Including holding senior civil servants to account. 
Without this the Independents just don’t have the confidence or motivation to get to grips with the issues. Self preservation is paramount so they just join the status quo and perpetuate the problem until it’s the next one’s turn. These issues have been there for years. The Prom is just the worst and most visible example of it. 

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MR reporting that the infrastructure minister has confirmed MER trams will be able to run on the new horsetram tracks.

Presumably they'll do that when they need to crack all of the concrete prior to inevitably replacing it with tarmac (as they were originally advised to  but rejected on basis of cost, allegedly)

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Just now, b4mbi said:

MR reporting that the infrastructure minister has confirmed MER trams will be able to run on the new horsetram tracks.

Presumably they'll do that when they need to crack all of the concrete prior to inevitably replacing it with tarmac (as they were originally advised to  but rejected on basis of cost, allegedly)

Electricity or pulled by Dobbin?

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1 hour ago, b4mbi said:

MR reporting that the infrastructure minister has confirmed MER trams will be able to run on the new horsetram tracks.

Presumably they'll do that when they need to crack all of the concrete prior to inevitably replacing it with tarmac (as they were originally advised to  but rejected on basis of cost, allegedly)

Yes it will be great for all those tourists who stay in Ramsey (!) Roll off the boat as a foot passenger with all your bags for your 2 week stay then just walk to the end of the prom from the Sea Terminal and hey presto 2 hours later you’re in Ramsey. With a bad dose of piles from all the jolting from the solid wood seat of an MER tram. Utopia! 

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1 hour ago, b4mbi said:

MR reporting that the infrastructure minister has confirmed MER trams will be able to run on the new horsetram tracks.

Presumably they'll do that when they need to crack all of the concrete prior to inevitably replacing it with tarmac (as they were originally advised to  but rejected on basis of cost, allegedly)

How will they be powered? Presumably overhead infrastructure will have to be installed to enable that?

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Just now, Non-Believer said:

How will they be powered? Presumably overhead infrastructure will have to be installed to enable that?

Apparently those new lights are designed to sling overhead cables across. 

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2 hours ago, Out of the blue said:

To be fair, if they insist on keeping the horse trams, it is sensible to plan for future upgrades to the transport infrastructure. Birch Hill to Farmhill - all aboard :cool:

The future upgrade required is to scrap them.

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5 hours ago, b4mbi said:

MR reporting that the infrastructure minister has confirmed MER trams will be able to run on the new horsetram tracks.

Presumably they'll do that when they need to crack all of the concrete prior to inevitably replacing it with tarmac (as they were originally advised to  but rejected on basis of cost, allegedly)

Ah, this will answer the question why there are two tracks.

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1 hour ago, gettafa said:

Ah, this will answer the question why there are two tracks.

Also why the gap between the sets of tracks is bigger . Electric trams are a bigger unit i'd say . All coming out in the wash now !!!! Clearly the plan all along just not honest enough to admit it . Hence the rails !! 

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2 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Also why the gap between the sets of tracks is bigger . Electric trams are a bigger unit i'd say . All coming out in the wash now !!!! Clearly the plan all along just not honest enough to admit it . Hence the rails !! 

A good idea IMO.

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