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I've explained this before Derek. From a friend working for a firm who is responsible for lots of services  , not Auldyn etc , while they had a concept plan from day one ie what the finished job would

It's not Harmer's direct fault. Nor any of those we elect. APART from not having the departmental and relevant experience and balls to stand up to and question the reams of bullshitters and chanc

But the problem isn't the horse trams.  It's the corporate culture of the Manx civil service.  Rather than accept the reality of what their main job is, which is maintain existing structures in the mo

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Just now, GD4ELI said:

A good idea IMO.

What, to plan a tram system that doesn't exist, that there is no call for,  and to do it in secret contributing to the entirely predictable massive fuck up?

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As Bill Shimmins MHK, a keen cyclist himself, advises cyclists not to use the Glencrutchery Rd cycle lane, branding it "dangerous and intimidating" (MR online) :lol:

You couldn't make it up.

 

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Just now, TheTeapot said:

What, to plan a tram system that doesn't exist, that there is no call for,  and to do it in secret contributing to the entirely predictable massive fuck up?

?? Tram systen does exist just a extra route. heavier rails put in means its totally feasible to extend the route . Good idea for once 

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6 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

?? Tram systen does exist just a extra route. heavier rails put in means its totally feasible to extend the route . Good idea for once 

Well I was more referring to the speculated Birch Hill - Farmhill Light Rail project that is utter utter pie in the sky bollocks.

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Was this what our politicians voted for and approved?

Are the vehicle carriageways wide enough to accommodate vehicles and the trams on their right hand sides?

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15 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

What, to plan a tram system that doesn't exist, that there is no call for,  and to do it in secret contributing to the entirely predictable massive fuck up?

Aye.... but here's the thing....... the old Summerland site will be turned into a park & ride (car park) for those commuting into Douglas. 

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11 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Was this what our politicians voted for and approved?

Are the vehicle carriageways wide enough to accommodate vehicles and the trams on their right hand sides?

I have posted this before but according to the DOI ( who are never wrong  )there will more space in some cases and never less. Not sure about what width they have taken for a vehicle though, no doubt a matchbox toy car.

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=48953&headline=More space for trams and traffic insists DoI&sectionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2019

The two tram tracks are about a foot further apart which if it was necessary, which it is not, could have been easily accommodated by reducing the large pavement width by 6" on each side.

 

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10 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Aye.... but here's the thing....... the old Summerland site will be turned into a park & ride (car park) for those commuting into Douglas. 

Park and ride on the Isle of Man should mean leaving your car at home and getting the bus. You could well be right though, nothing is ever going to built there so a massive car park will do.

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4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Park and ride on the Isle of Man should mean leaving your car at home and getting the bus. You could well be right though, nothing is ever going to built there so a massive car park will do.

I suggested that scenario not long after Summerland was demolished.

It's actually a huge site but with the potential issue of an unstable cliff face costing long millions to secure the only people paying for that will be the taxpayer (where's there's a bottomless pit always available.

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37 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Also why the gap between the sets of tracks is bigger . Electric trams are a bigger unit i'd say . All coming out in the wash now !!!! Clearly the plan all along just not honest enough to admit it . Hence the rails !! 

Rails came secondhand from a failed plan in Birkenhead for some riverfront development. I think at the time they got them for a good price. They are far heavier than required for Horse cars or MER trams but if the price was better than buying new then that is good I guess.

You can certainly buy modern trams that do not require overhead wires ( Birmingham is getting some). They do look nice and the DOI like an extravagant project

https://www.transport-network.co.uk/New-84m-battery-powered-trams-are-a-game-changer/16197

The plan for the  tramway extending down to the old courthouse in Ramsey seems to have gone very quiet:devil:

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3 minutes ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

The plan for the  tramway extending down to the old courthouse in Ramsey seems to have gone very quiet:devil:

It will have done unless they're planning on demolishing half the buildings at the southern end of Parliament St in order to do it. Plus ripping up all the expensive Chinese granite that's only been down 5-odd years.

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3 minutes ago, Twitch said:

Can someone explain to me the business case and need for allowing MER trams to run to the end of the promenade?

 

The current fleet of MER trams would never be allowed onto the promenade with open roads without significant expensive modifications so no need for a business case.

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10 minutes ago, Twitch said:

Can someone explain to me the business case and need for allowing MER trams to run to the end of the promenade?

 

Not the business case no...but the nut case yes...Longworth.

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