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7 hours ago, Banker said:

Why don’t we just import some more workers and quarantine them in the various empty hotels outside working hours. They get all meals , drinks etc in rooms and I’m sure we could get them over on a charter plane .

Isn't that actually what is happening?  I thought that some of these were 'keyworkers' who were brought over on similar terms and were supposed to isolate as a group.  There was even something about them wearing different coloured safety helmets:

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Mr Baker confirmed that contractors working on the scheme who have come to the island from across wear different coloured hats.

He said: ’It is so that on site it is clear for social distancing purposes to their work colleagues. It is so that there is more distance kept with them because clearly there is more of a potential risk for some of those workers. It is effectively a simple way of identifying whose who and who is what.’

 

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I've explained this before Derek. From a friend working for a firm who is responsible for lots of services  , not Auldyn etc , while they had a concept plan from day one ie what the finished job would

It's not Harmer's direct fault. Nor any of those we elect. APART from not having the departmental and relevant experience and balls to stand up to and question the reams of bullshitters and chanc

But the problem isn't the horse trams.  It's the corporate culture of the Manx civil service.  Rather than accept the reality of what their main job is, which is maintain existing structures in the mo

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1 hour ago, ptarmigan said:

I don’t think anyone doubts that it’s not a major job with multiple issues, huge budget and lots of stakeholders.  But it was poorly planned, politically driven timescales, badly budgeted and barely controlled. And I’m staggered that nick black is still CEO.   

How Nick Black survives is a mystery , there have been so many major muck ups in DOI. It’s like yes minister in real life!!

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26 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Er, it IS a major job. Sorry, but you said that wrong.

Pedancy Dilli. Plus you've got to look at Longworth's involvement with the extension of the MER that was some sort of secret apparently. It's a cock up on a massive scale with certain parties well out of their depth. Hence the ongoing "flexibility" with timescales, arrangements and Lord knows what else.

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Just now, Non-Believer said:

Pedancy Dilli. Plus you've got to look at Longworth's involvement with the extension of the MER that was some sort of secret apparently. It's a cock up on a massive scale with certain parties well out of their depth. Hence the ongoing "flexibility" with timescales, arrangements and Lord knows what else.

I don’t actually agree with any extended track for the MER. I love it the way it is. Even as a horse tram lover, I think the track 

should end at the Sefton.

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1 hour ago, dilligaf said:

Kind of you to waste so much Gov. time, with them having to answer stupid questions, obvious loaded for whatever reason. Hope you feel better now.

Actually as a tax payer I have the right to ask questions.

Knowing someone who ran these type of projects and their disgust and disbelief at how this has taken place and is taking place then yes I feel better.

At least when it's over we have some previous answers to recall when the budget is double, there is no comeback on the contractor and our govt says.. lessons will be learnt.

 

Ps..the parent company of the contractor have enough staff in the UK to be able to have 200 ppl a day on site...

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3 minutes ago, Maire said:

Actually as a tax payer I have the right to ask questions.

Knowing someone who ran these type of projects and their disgust and disbelief at how this has taken place and is taking place then yes I feel better.

At least when it's over we have some previous answers to recall when the budget is double, there is no comeback on the contractor and our govt says.. lessons will be learnt.

 

Ps..the parent company of the contractor have enough staff in the UK to be able to have 200 ppl a day on site...

So just how many such promenades has your “friend” refurbished, replacing all the services beneath ? Give it up.

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40 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

So just how many such promenades has your “friend” refurbished, replacing all the services beneath ? Give it up.

Good to see you support the ongoing clusterfuck dilli.

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1 hour ago, dilligaf said:

So just how many such promenades has your “friend” refurbished, replacing all the services beneath ? Give it up.

They MUST have known about the vast majority of services beneath.

When I say 'they' I mean the government and its various agencies (MEA/MU etc). If the contractor wasn't properly informed at the time of tendering then it is a license to print money as an extra to contract. There will be wheelbarrows of cash trundling away each day from this contract accordingly.
 

 

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8 hours ago, Maire said:

Actually as a tax payer I have the right to ask questions.

Knowing someone who ran these type of projects and their disgust and disbelief at how this has taken place and is taking place then yes I feel better.

At least when it's over we have some previous answers to recall when the budget is double, there is no comeback on the contractor and our govt says.. lessons will be learnt.

 

Ps..the parent company of the contractor have enough staff in the UK to be able to have 200 ppl a day on site...

Re your PS.

Are all those 200 staff sitting at home doing nothing and just waiting for the chance to come here for a few months away from their families etc. You may find they are all employed in the booming construction market in the UK. Construction workers are in scarce supply and we are not the top of the list. Believe me.

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2 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Re your PS.

Are all those 200 staff sitting at home doing nothing and just waiting for the chance to come here for a few months away from their families etc. You may find they are all employed in the booming construction market in the UK. Construction workers are in scarce supply and we are not the top of the list. Believe me.

I’m sure if the price is right we could get workers from UK and house them in empty hotels for a few months to get the bloody promenade finished 

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5 minutes ago, Banker said:

I’m sure if the price is right we could get workers from UK and house them in empty hotels for a few months to get the bloody promenade finished 

You won't get the good ones.

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The staffing or lack of isn’t the issue, it’s the lack of a proper plan to start with.   It’s a major road, a major project, managed by people who aren’t up to the job.  The contractors are working with people who don’t know what they are doing.  I repeat, how has Nick still got that job? 

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8 hours ago, Barlow said:

They MUST have known about the vast majority of services beneath.

When I say 'they' I mean the government and its various agencies (MEA/MU etc). If the contractor wasn't properly informed at the time of tendering then it is a license to print money as an extra to contract. There will be wheelbarrows of cash trundling away each day from this contract accordingly.
 

 

Yeah. The digital records that the Victorians and Edwardian engineers left must be great. They also contain all the records of the years of resurfacing and rebuilding that has taken place over the last 100 years or so. Well not so!

I love these these keyboard warriors who know nothing.

I'm not sticking up for the DOI. It's gone wrong and someone must be accountable. But hapless comments like this are just a waste of everyone's time.

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43 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Yeah. The digital records that the Victorians and Edwardian engineers left must be great. They also contain all the records of the years of resurfacing and rebuilding that has taken place over the last 100 years or so. Well not so!

I love these these keyboard warriors who know nothing.

I'm not sticking up for the DOI. It's gone wrong and someone must be accountable. But hapless comments like this are just a waste of everyone's time.

No you're wrong.  Wrong, smug and wrong again.

The sewers throughout Douglas are well mapped. And that includes every upgrade since the many drawings produced by the Victorian engineers installed the forward thinking gravity and syphon sewer system, through to IRIS and beyond.

There are records for electricity maintenance and upgrades since the days of the Douglas Corporation DC supply. 

The GPO...Manx Te;ecom.....have been upgraded and maintained ever since Queen Victoria had her first iPhone.

Yes of course there are going to unknowns, I'm not disputing that. But your hapless post is just a waste of everyone's time.

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