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2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

I'm told that the cluster-feck that is the bottom of Broadway was/has been known before the project began. In which case you have to wonder why DOI didn't arrange for test pits/holes to be dug to determine the extent of the problem before digging up the whole prom. Similarly, the bottom of Church Rd Marina.

Not only were they known about but they ought to have had a good idea what was there.  They've spent the last few years pretending to be shocked at the concept that there are services under the roads, as if this was some unknown archaeological site that had never been investigated before.  But much of the services involved, especially drainage and sewerage and gas, have only been laid in the last two decades or so.  Even any Victorian etc leftovers should have been documented during those works - and even the Victorians and later generations of public servants were often better at producing plans that they imply. 

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I've explained this before Derek. From a friend working for a firm who is responsible for lots of services  , not Auldyn etc , while they had a concept plan from day one ie what the finished job would

It's not Harmer's direct fault. Nor any of those we elect. APART from not having the departmental and relevant experience and balls to stand up to and question the reams of bullshitters and chanc

But the problem isn't the horse trams.  It's the corporate culture of the Manx civil service.  Rather than accept the reality of what their main job is, which is maintain existing structures in the mo

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36 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Not only were they known about but they ought to have had a good idea what was there.  They've spent the last few years pretending to be shocked at the concept that there are services under the roads, as if this was some unknown archaeological site that had never been investigated before.  But much of the services involved, especially drainage and sewerage and gas, have only been laid in the last two decades or so.  Even any Victorian etc leftovers should have been documented during those works - and even the Victorians and later generations of public servants were often better at producing plans that they imply. 

What the plans say, and what is actually there don’t always agree. 
 

When I lived in London, there was a vacant corner plot at the end of our street. A builder acquired this plot and started work on it. A check on the plan’s held by the relevant utilities showed nothing there. Unfortunately, the mini JCB he used to start digging found that a main electric cable cut across this corner instead of following the road as shown on the plans. 

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4 hours ago, kevster said:

What the plans say, and what is actually there don’t always agree. 
 

When I lived in London, there was a vacant corner plot at the end of our street. A builder acquired this plot and started work on it. A check on the plan’s held by the relevant utilities showed nothing there. Unfortunately, the mini JCB he used to start digging found that a main electric cable cut across this corner instead of following the road as shown on the plans. 

Oh quite, but the DoI ought to have considerable advantages here  The previous works can only have been done by themselves[1] or under their supervision or by a small number of other organisations they should be working closely with.  If plans don't match what is in the ground, either they haven't supervised properly or they haven't recorded changes that had to be made.  And they haven't use to opportunity, when work is being done to check on existing infrastructure against plan.

 

[1]  While the name of Departments may have changed there's continuity otherwise - it's not like when there's been local government reorganisation.

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11 minutes ago, Anyone said:

Not if you put the DOI in charge of that it won’t.

Nick Biack on the radio today was hilarious. So if they have got it all wrong on disabled access all the curbs etc will have to be ripped out as clearly it’s important that it’s all set up for disabled access. He was a bit sketchy on who they had actually consulted on the disabled access requirements though. 

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16 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Nick Biack on the radio today was hilarious. So if they have got it all wrong on disabled access all the curbs etc will have to be ripped out as clearly it’s important that it’s all set up for disabled access. He was a bit sketchy on who they had actually consulted on the disabled access requirements though. 

He said the top blind charity but presumably couldn’t remember their name or who they consulted!!

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1 hour ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Exactly it was embarrassing. Yes the “top” blind charity. Whoever that is and wherever they are. 

To be fair to them ( the DOI ) they consulted Manx Blind Welfare. No idea what the advice was or the outcome but the did it would seem consult the correct body. Probably ignored them though as they know better anyway. Manx Gov consultations tend to be like that. 

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On 11/7/2020 at 7:32 PM, thesultanofsheight said:

Nick Biack on the radio today was hilarious. So if they have got it all wrong on disabled access all the curbs etc will have to be ripped out as clearly it’s important that it’s all set up for disabled access. He was a bit sketchy on who they had actually consulted on the disabled access requirements though. 

What program was that? 

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