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51 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Except the old sea wall was land reclamation as well, as was the 1870/80 sea wall line and the 1930 one.

the original sea/land boundary was the cliff face at the back of Market Street. The beach originally ran up to there

And that's probably where it will end up again, eventually.  The sea level worldwide is predicted to rise by a few metres.  The sea is immensely powerful... and patient.  Time is on its side.

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My heart goes out to all the businesses affected (too many of them). But will anyone listen? Cannot help but feel that we're so far down into the hole, that they just have to keep digging, in the hope, as faint as it is, that one day, we'll come out the other side, wherever and whenever that might be. In the meantime, let's all pay our taxes so they never stop all this waste.

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2 hours ago, majkul said:

My heart goes out to all the businesses affected (too many of them). But will anyone listen? Cannot help but feel that we're so far down into the hole, that they just have to keep digging, in the hope, as faint as it is, that one day, we'll come out the other side, wherever and whenever that might be. In the meantime, let's all pay our taxes so they never stop all this waste.

A very good friend has businesses down on the Prom and his footfall has been decimated and no end in sight . Heartbreaking to watch seeing a business he's worked so hard and diligently ravaged by incompetence and lack of any foresight and with constant promises about areas finished but nothing forthcoming consistenty . Will he survive !?? He has to really but not sure in my view how he's going too.  

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1 hour ago, Numbnuts said:

A very good friend has businesses down on the Prom and his footfall has been decimated and no end in sight . Heartbreaking to watch seeing a business he's worked so hard and diligently ravaged by incompetence and lack of any foresight and with constant promises about areas finished but nothing forthcoming consistenty . Will he survive !?? He has to really but not sure in my view how he's going too.  

Has he spoken to government about it?

Can he demonstrate via his financial statements the impact of the last 2 or 3 years?

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16 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Has he spoken to government about it?

Can he demonstrate via his financial statements the impact of the last 2 or 3 years?

It wouldn't make any difference if he did if you watch that clip above!

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1 hour ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Has he spoken to government about it?

Can he demonstrate via his financial statements the impact of the last 2 or 3 years?

Yes and his accounts clearly show a big depreciation but its only this year that they have relented on rates. He has a little help through usual schemes but basically still the issue is there with no footfall and tbh the whole prom in no way inviting if you can even get a park. Most sensibke eople are avoiding it . And I can understand why. Just look at whats gone on around the Castle Mona  shops . Must be so disheartening for anyone with business on Prom. Candy store is another one where very little business in winter months over recent years and now zero passing trade due to works.   

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3 hours ago, John Wright said:

If they can do this for the new Liverpool Terminal they can do one for the prom.

 

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I would very much like to see a breakdown like that for the Prom. 

 

Sadly I think they have successfully muddled the waters so much that it will be impossible to unpick DOI in-house staff hours from those of contractors, MUA, Manx Gas and others. 

 

I would also like to know the environmental cost of traffic queuing at those bloody temporary traffic lights near Castle Mona Avenue. 

 

They could easily be removed if someone would take a oxyacetylene to those bloody tram rails stacked next to the road 

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3 hours ago, John Wright said:

If they can do this for the new Liverpool Terminal they can do one for the prom.

 

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One would bet that they don't want to though....?

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https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/opqp/sittings/20182021/2021-PP-0101.pdf  The final report is well worth a read.   It's not long but the frustration of the Committee comes through clearly that they didn't get straight answers to what appear to be quite straightforward questions.  Fundamentally where has the money gone - what's it been spent on?  

It says straight out that in their opinion the "We are concerned by the lack of clarity over the project budget. The taxpayer has no certainty over how much of their money will ultimately be invested in the Scheme, further damaging public confidence in the Department and the 6 Q248 7 Q264 8 Q251 4 Government. As highlighted above, we see the splitting of the work into two phases with two separate budgets as an attempt to hide the true overall spend from the taxpayer."

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Having just come along the prom in a motorbike I can confirm that the stones on the crossing actually move even when my light bike goes over them.  You can hear them clattering.

No wonder they are moving with busses etc up and down there.

 

Great work 

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