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5 minutes ago, Pipsqueak said:

in theory the prom only needed digging up once , whether that was one continuous operation that took 6 months or done in sections over 2 years the plant only had so many hours of digging to to do,   the job should have been done in sections which would have been less inconvenient for everyone,  the businesses would have been disrupted in sections over a shorter period rather than for the entire  duration and traffic wouldn't have been fucked up at almost every junction onto or off the prom at the same time.   the logistics people on this ( not that it looks like there are any )  are useless.

It’s been done in sections anyway. It’s not all been dug up and closed. 

The way of working was determined by not wanting to close any section completely, to keep traffic moving. Fully closing the whole, or sections, would not have been good for Douglas traffic management or for people with businesses on the prom.

The issues are more poor planning, design and supervision, so contractors were left in the dark, and Covid. Both have caused delay. Both have been bad for traffic management and businesses.

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26 minutes ago, John Wright said:

It’s been done in sections anyway. It’s not all been dug up and closed. 

The way of working was determined by not wanting to close any section completely, to keep traffic moving. Fully closing the whole, or sections, would not have been good for Douglas traffic management or for people with businesses on the prom.

The issues are more poor planning, design and supervision, so contractors were left in the dark, and Covid. Both have caused delay. Both have been bad for traffic management and businesses.

Can’t accept that sorry.

The bit outside Utopia and Spar for example.

Months/ year of disruption often with days at a time without any work taking place.

Close one side of the road for a few weeks and control it with traffic lights) complete it with lots of guys on site 24 /7 then do the other.

I would put money on it that if you worked out the actual man hours spent on that half mile section it could have been completed in a month with traffic lights controlling it - in the same way as Broadway to empress has been for months now

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50 minutes ago, John Wright said:

It’s been done in sections anyway. It’s not all been dug up and closed. 

The way of working was determined by not wanting to close any section completely, to keep traffic moving. Fully closing the whole, or sections, would not have been good for Douglas traffic management or for people with businesses on the prom.

The issues are more poor planning, design and supervision, so contractors were left in the dark, and Covid. Both have caused delay. Both have been bad for traffic management and businesses.

sections doesn't necessarily mean the full width of prom,  it could have been done  carriageway at a time to meet between the 2 tram lines.  with no parking on the prom traffic could have flowed in both directions all the time and it could have been one long rolling section or separate sections.

 

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I wonder if it's within the DOI's legal remit to attempt to rewrite the standard regulation roadmarkings manual (which has doubtless been arrived at through long experience and perhaps more than a few fatalities) and then tell road users that it's up to them to get used to it (or find another route)?

What's happening with the Celtic road marking on the Curragh Rd?

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22 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Place your bets!!

I am going for a 4 million pound project to build a single lane tunnel with crap access Kirk Michael somewhere.

https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/6-options-to-provide-access-across-the-tt-course-to-be-unveiled/?fbclid=IwAR0Q57TGqeyIbiyIQST8l1eRO1yr7A1whWAd9rnG7hF6ItS7CnAr2wA9Luo

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Use your imagination

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21 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Place your bets!!

I am going for a 4 million pound project to build a single lane tunnel with crap access Kirk Michael somewhere.

https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/6-options-to-provide-access-across-the-tt-course-to-be-unveiled/?fbclid=IwAR0Q57TGqeyIbiyIQST8l1eRO1yr7A1whWAd9rnG7hF6ItS7CnAr2wA9Luo

Tunnels and overpasses for everyone 

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Although the new thing includes more options? Gah... have to get photoshop out again... https://frankdrives.com/visualised-what-new-tt-access-road-options-might-look-like/

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17 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

I wonder if it's within the DOI's legal remit to attempt to rewrite the standard regulation roadmarkings manual (which has doubtless been arrived at through long experience and perhaps more than a few fatalities) and then tell road users that it's up to them to get used to it (or find another route)?

What's happening with the Celtic road marking on the Curragh Rd?

Nothing that Celtic crossing will stay, if it was to removed it would be an admission that it should not have been installed.

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3 hours ago, John Wright said:

It’s been done in sections anyway. It’s not all been dug up and closed. 

The way of working was determined by not wanting to close any section completely, to keep traffic moving. Fully closing the whole, or sections, would not have been good for Douglas traffic management or for people with businesses on the prom.

The issues are more poor planning, design and supervision, so contractors were left in the dark, and Covid. Both have caused delay. Both have been bad for traffic management and businesses.

Add to that how difficult it is to replace utilities in sections as they do not all suit being divided into the same sections if you want to keep all the properties and businesses serviced with power, water, gas, broadband, sewers, street lighting etc. 

This shouldn't be underestimated......nor overestimated.

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37 minutes ago, b4mbi said:

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Taken from the other thread, but pray tell, what the fuckety bollocks is this?

Roundel Training Area (RTA) !?

Have those lines just appeared last few days do you know ??

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42 minutes ago, b4mbi said:

 

Taken from the other thread, but pray tell, what the fuckety bollocks is this?

Roundel Training Area (RTA) !?

I wonder if that’s a new Covid testing area? It looks very similar to the drive through testing sites I’ve seen in the UK.

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7 hours ago, Pipsqueak said:

sections doesn't necessarily mean the full width of prom,  it could have been done  carriageway at a time to meet between the 2 tram lines.  with no parking on the prom traffic could have flowed in both directions all the time and it could have been one long rolling section or separate sections.

 

They have the 'luxury' of the parallel carriageway sized walkway along side, for a running diversion.

The job should have been straightforward enough.

A mate of mine was a project planner in the oil industry and civil engineering, and offered his services to the contractor sometime before the job started. He didn't even receive an acknowledgment. (Oh, and knew plenty about concrete cube testing).

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