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1 hour ago, Annoymouse said:

You’ve logged in to the wrong account, you use this one to praise anything the Government touches, you should be supporting Mr Baker and sharing your dismay about how he’s been treated.

Wasted on you obviously.

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On 30th June Baker states via Manx Radio that the works will be finished in August.

On 9th July Manx Radio states that it will not be finished in August and basically they do not know when it will be finished.

So did he not tell the truth on 30th June or was he not told the truth?. If the former then he should resign now, if the latter then the officers who told him need to go now.

These fantasy press statements from DOI seem to go right back to the start of this project. Back in April 2019 the then minister said 

The work hailed by Infrastructure Minister Ray Harmer who said the promenade refurbishment was ’making really good steady progress’

He added: ’It is on time and on schedule at the moment which is good news because it is really important to get things moving and its also the first time we’re also installing something that will be used for the future.’

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=47662&headline=First tracks are laid for the new horse tram line&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2019

This at a time when the project was already several weeks behind

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28 minutes ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

On 30th June Baker states via Manx Radio that the works will be finished in August.

On 9th July Manx Radio states that it will not be finished in August and basically they do not know when it will be finished.

So did he not tell the truth on 30th June or was he not told the truth?. If the former then he should resign now, if the latter then the officers who told him need to go now.

These fantasy press statements from DOI seem to go right back to the start of this project. Back in April 2019 the then minister said 

The work hailed by Infrastructure Minister Ray Harmer who said the promenade refurbishment was ’making really good steady progress’

He added: ’It is on time and on schedule at the moment which is good news because it is really important to get things moving and its also the first time we’re also installing something that will be used for the future.’

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=47662&headline=First tracks are laid for the new horse tram line&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2019

This at a time when the project was already several weeks behind

You know, circumstances change, shit happens.Get over it.

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13 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

You know, circumstances change, shit happens.Get over it.

No.

Everyone knew it would be a disaster before it started, that the plans were daft, and that it would overrun in both time and money.

All anyone normal wanted was a functional road.

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10 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

You know, circumstances change, shit happens.Get over it.

The one circumstance that hasnt changed is the DOI involvement in another complete mess. With whats been said today by Baker is not the end of the saga and believe me and with nearly 45 years involved in and around all aspects of the building trade I wish it was. Yes unforseen crop up on any project be it a large or small contract. But this in all honesty as I've said before is more than a few 'mistakes' or unforseen issues. Its bordering on gross incompetence in management and contractors overseeing .  

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I think Baker has been brilliant , clearly holds the opinion of the last person he spoke to and believes in divine intervention , which is probably the only way he’ll get that prom finished. He needs to pray hard , real hard.

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Just now, Numbnuts said:

The one circumstance that hasnt changed is the DOI involvement in another complete mess. With whats been said today by Baker is not the end of the saga and believe me and with nearly 45 years involved in and around all aspects of the building trade I wish it was. Yes unforseen crop up on any project be it a large or small contract. But this in all honesty as I've said before is more than a few 'mistakes' or unforseen issues. Its bordering on gross incompetence in management and contractors overseeing .  

And you are privy to all the plans, circumstances and decisions surrounding the project  that you can make such a statement?

I may have 45 years experience in my field ( slightly less actually) but that does not qualify me to pass judgement on a project I have no involvement with. 

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6 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

And everyone is a civil engineer?

I’m a civil engineer but a pretty crap one. That why I’ve spent the last 3 years working on the prom. I’m so crap I reckon I can get 10 years more work out of it. And still make a pigs ear of it. 

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19 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

No.

Everyone knew it would be a disaster before it started, that the plans were daft, and that it would overrun in both time and money.

All anyone normal wanted was a functional road.

They didn't know. That would be impossible. Perhaps the correct description would be that, sadly, no one is surprised it is a disaster. 

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7 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

And you are privy to all the plans, circumstances and decisions surrounding the project  that you can make such a statement?

I may have 45 years experience in my field ( slightly less actually) but that does not qualify me to pass judgement on a project I have no involvement with. 

Are you real ?? I've been blessed with a brain , eyes in my head and a good understanding of the works involved having done most of them be it at a smaller level. Mind you I did work on the airship concrete base and ring beams ( no cracks!) . I also have taken note from the start of the contract and its progression and the continuous announcement of delays and substandard work needing ripped up and redone . I also have people I know well who've worked on the prom. Despite my knowledge it isnt needed to know that the whole job is a complete cluster**** and we are all going to have to put up with continued snagging throughout the year to come . 

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14 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

And you are privy to all the plans, circumstances and decisions surrounding the project  that you can make such a statement?

I may have 45 years experience in my field ( slightly less actually) but that does not qualify me to pass judgement on a project I have no involvement with. 

Tim, you haven't been an MHK for 45 years (although it does feel like it).

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Just now, Happier diner said:

They didn't know. That would be impossible. Perhaps the correct description would be that, sadly, no one is surprised it is a disaster. 

I knew. but I take your point.

Some other stuff I know - if you pour a massive strip of concrete down the middle of the road using rails as shutters and then stick plant either side to smash the rest of the road out your concrete will definitely crack, and if you've coloured the concrete it will be virtually impossible to patch it up without it looking shit.

But I'm not a civil engineer.

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