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5 minutes ago, Chie said:

 

5. Issue a public apology and explain in detail all the different ways and reasons as to why this f*ckery will never happen again.

Oh but it will time and time again!

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35 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said:

The horse tram tracks have added have added complexity and expense to every stage. So many hidden indirect costs

Why wasn't a single track installed right along the promenade, with a passing place/s if necessary.

There has to be a reason of course, but I haven't seen one.

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6 minutes ago, Barlow said:

Why wasn't a single track installed right along the promenade, with a passing place/s if necessary.

There has to be a reason of course, but I haven't seen one.

Murray Lambden made the most noise against the most sensible option once decision was made to keep the horse trams.

Seems trams in busy centre of Manchester can work without miaming and injuring thousands every day, but couldn't possibly live with that risk on the prom walkway. Grrr.

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1 hour ago, Chie said:

5. Issue a public apology and explain in detail all the different ways and reasons as to why this f*ckery will never happen again.

An absolute anathema not only to the Govt and public sector ethos but also political egos. It amounts to an admission of failure that can open up all sorts of cans of wriggly things and cause any amount of embarrassment and questions, that's why it doesn't happen very often.

It's much better to stay schtum and pretend that all's well and let the public seeth whilst still being obliged to pay for it.

After all, they can't actually do anything about it, short of turfing the political figurehead out at the next election, which means FA in the great scheme of things.

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42 minutes ago, b4mbi said:

Murray Lambden made the most noise against the most sensible option once decision was made to keep the horse trams.

Seems trams in busy centre of Manchester can work without miaming and injuring thousands every day, but couldn't possibly live with that risk on the prom walkway. Grrr.

But trams in Manchester do (mostly) go down the middle of the road, just like the horse trams did.  So that would be an argument for keeping things as they were.  The real problem has been Longworth's fantasy of running electric trams on the horse tram tracks (even though that was excluded by Tynwald) and the way the DoI tried to accommodate that fantasy.

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44 minutes ago, b4mbi said:

Murray Lambden made the most noise against the most sensible option once decision was made to keep the horse trams.

Seems trams in busy centre of Manchester can work without miaming and injuring thousands every day, but couldn't possibly live with that risk on the prom walkway. Grrr.

Maybe there is a plan to run similar trams along the Promenade?

But as things stand (I have heard the sound of horse trams clip-clopping past our house for the last 25 years) there is no requirement for anything other than a single track. It is as clear and obvious as it can be.

 

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5 hours ago, Chie said:

What they should do is....

1. Sack Auldyn, ensure no one ever hires them again, make them pay everything back, fine them a further considerable sum for good measure. Because, let's be fair, government issues or no government issues. They are rinsing the tax payer for all they are worth and the know it. After seeing this charade, I will never ever consider hiring them for any building work.

2. Sack the idiots who started this debacle in the first place. Require them to walk nude through the streets of Douglas with shame signs around their necks. Preferably chained to pieces of the broken promenade that they have to drag behind them.

3. Bring over one of the English companies that work efficiently and quickly on motorways, promenades, 24 hours a day etc in England. Yes it will cost more money but at least it will finally get done in a respectable amount of time. If anyone dares to cry "But what about the Manx workers". Tough.....tough sh*t....they had their chance.

4. Launch an official investigation into the DOI by an independent third party so as to try to avoid "Boys Club Bias".

5. Issue a public apology and explain in detail all the different ways and reasons as to why this f*ckery will never happen again.

.....and then wake up.!

 

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12 minutes ago, finlo said:

Slightly O/T but has anyone else had the delight of traversing the 30m or so 2 week's worth of resurfacing on Station rd in Ramsey? 

I've been up smoother farm tracks!

We were commenting on that yesterday. Feels like it's been flattened out with the back of a shovel

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12 minutes ago, finlo said:

Slightly O/T but has anyone else had the delight of traversing the 30m or so 2 week's worth of resurfacing on Station rd in Ramsey? 

I've been up smoother farm tracks!

To be fair, it's better than what was there before but it was a 2" plane off and then a man-and-barrows job, rather than one pass with a Blaw Knox so it's all different sections.

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

To be fair, it's better than what was there before but it was a 2" plane off and then a man-and-barrows job, rather than one pass with a Blaw Knox so it's all different sections.

Blaw Knox, showing your age there!

PS that's how I refer to them that or a"Barber Green"

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8 hours ago, b4mbi said:

Murray Lambden made the most noise against the most sensible option once decision was made to keep the horse trams.

Seems trams in busy centre of Manchester can work without miaming and injuring thousands every day, but couldn't possibly live with that risk on the prom walkway. Grrr.

There was never a plan for a single track along the whole length of the prom. One of the biggest issue is that there has never been a plan for anything other than a double track from Broadway to Summerhill - the narrowest part of the road where all the tailbacks are. In fact in their ultimate wisdom they have made the tramway even wider on this section of the prom.

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