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Quite right John, no wonder we are called Moana's Isle no longer 60,000 alcoholics clinging to a rock we are, 60,000      wannabe civil engineers opinionuating about something they know nothing about.   But there again are not always the fiercest critics the uninformed key board warriors who have difficulty in putting their shoes on the right feet.

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I've explained this before Derek. From a friend working for a firm who is responsible for lots of services  , not Auldyn etc , while they had a concept plan from day one ie what the finished job would

It's not Harmer's direct fault. Nor any of those we elect. APART from not having the departmental and relevant experience and balls to stand up to and question the reams of bullshitters and chanc

But the problem isn't the horse trams.  It's the corporate culture of the Manx civil service.  Rather than accept the reality of what their main job is, which is maintain existing structures in the mo

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46 minutes ago, John Wright said:

And that’s the whole idea of the phases, doing the Centre first, then one side followed by the other. 

Keeps traffic moving and allows access to properties and businesses.

Blocking off complete sections, Sea Terminal to Greensills, Greensills to Broadway, Broadway to Palace, Palace to Summerhill, Summerhill to Strathallan, would have a much more disastrous effect on travel and business.

And if done in bigger sections - you would need more plant and a bigger workforce = more cost

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Looked again at the plans, is that 'chicane' somewhere north of broadway still on the plan? A wi9ggle in the tram tracks with trees clifton terrace area?

If this turns out to be crap, can we sequestrate the MHKs who voted for it????

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

For a shorter period = less cost? 

But more disruption. A rolling set of works makes more sense.  But obviously you and everyone else on here have many years of civil engineering experience and know how it should be done  

 

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1 hour ago, kevster said:

But more disruption. A rolling set of works makes more sense.  But obviously you and everyone else on here have many years of civil engineering experience and know how it should be done  

 

Not at all, I was asking a question?

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On 8/1/2019 at 8:05 PM, hissingsid said:

It had to be done, should have been sorted years ago.    Anyone who did not envisage mess and inconvenience is delusional.    Keeping traffic flowing the same time as the work being done is very challenging.   Moaning about it will not speed the process up.   The amazing thing to me is we seem to have about 60,000 civil engineers living on the Island who could have done a better job in half the time for £25 quid.    Just enjoy the sunshine and suck it up.

But surley they would have consulted all of the business`s that would be effected first, and outlined the timeline of the job, and compensation to any of those business`s effected ?

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8 minutes ago, Grounds Keeper Willy said:

Alf’s comments and admissions are interesting. Pretty much he’s saying we trusted the DOI not to make a complete pigs ear out of this but sadly it’s now turned into a national crisis where we have to help bailing them out as they’re totally incompetent. Harmer needs to go and so does Nick Black. How embarrassing that it’s now almost a national emergency sticking some horse trams in and doing some road works?  The DOI have the negative Midas touch. Everything they touch eventually turns to shit. 

 

Eventually?

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22 hours ago, Max Power said:

How it was done in 1931..

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That is a mighty impressive substrata, and It was well contained too. Looking at the excavations it seems there was little wrong with the foundation layers, certainly none of the horror stories that were put about.

 

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