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40 minutes ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

I thought that is how it is supposed to be used as it is shared space.

certainly none of the pedestrian crossings appear to have the legal correct road markings for a real road

If it was shared space then you wouldn't need a zebra crossing and a traffic light crossing.

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4 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

Once the Manx Rally special stage gets all over this they'll be no markings left so it'll all be fine.

Doubt we'll ever see a manx rally again  If the last shenanigans are anything to go on!

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The DOI design Dept is clearly giving priority to unqualified under-graduate engineers with little or no practical experience in their chosen subject. 

Which was highlighted in the Beaman's Report which stated that the Dept "had engineers that may or may not be qualified", elicited by an FOI request by Trevor Cowin.

In short, crayonistas in makeweight IoM Govt jobs. Add your own reasons why, I have mine.

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8 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

The DOI design Dept is clearly giving priority to unqualified under-graduate engineers with little or no practical experience in their chosen subject. 

Which was highlighted in the Beaman's Report which stated that the Dept "had engineers that may or may not be qualified", elicited by an FOI request by Trevor Cowin.

In short, crayonistas in makeweight IoM Govt jobs. Add your own reasons why, I have mine.

I thought the designer was Borough Stewart, not the DOI

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16 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I thought the designer was Borough Stewart, not the DOI

Does not matter. Idiotic design is idiotic design in either case. And the DoI (the Despicable Department of Imbeciles) has had to sign off on any design. 

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31 minutes ago, Cassie2 said:

Does not matter. Idiotic design is idiotic design in either case. And the DoI (the Despicable Department of Imbeciles) has had to sign off on any design. 

.The DOI design Dept is clearly giving priority to unqualified under-graduate engineers with little or no practical experience in their chosen subject.

Under graduate engineers signing off designs? Do you have proof of this unlikely scenario then. 

Does the DOI have a design department? Never heard of it.

 

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Youre plainly the man to speak of engineering qualifications and what's going on in DoI. An undergraduate would still be at university rather than a job. And not the university of life you're proud of attending.

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1 hour ago, Happier diner said:

.The DOI design Dept is clearly giving priority to unqualified under-graduate engineers with little or no practical experience in their chosen subject.

Under graduate engineers signing off designs? Do you have proof of this unlikely scenario then. 

Does the DOI have a design department? Never heard of it.

 

Looks like they do.

https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/departments/infrastructure/highway-services/projects-design-and-build/

Worryingly they insist that that the new prom walkway will be to same standard as the new adjacent road!

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1 hour ago, MadAsHell said:

Looks like they do.

https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/departments/infrastructure/highway-services/projects-design-and-build/

Worryingly they insist that that the new prom walkway will be to same standard as the new adjacent road!

Put in perspective though

The Team is responsible for:

  • 12 speed signs
  • 14 variable message signs
  • 47 pedestrian crossing installations
  • Over 60 traffic signals
  • 70 school signs
  • Over 250 bollards
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1 hour ago, ian rush said:

Youre plainly the man to speak of engineering qualifications and what's going on in DoI. An undergraduate would still be at university rather than a job. And not the university of life you're proud of attending.

Who are you quoting. Hope not me.

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13 hours ago, Amadeus said:

Sad as I am, I had to have a look how this road engineering marvel functions at night. Three observations so far:

1: it needs double yellows up Broadway and fast. Parking this close to a pedestrian crossing is not only wrong but dangerous. Can’t see people emerging behind the van when coming downhill. 

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People walking from town centre towards palace often don’t use pedestrian crossing but walk across roundel as it’s shorter. Classic design flaw or expected behaviour? 

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This crossing seems a bit dark. Might be ok once permanent lights are installed but for now an additional temporary one would improve pedestrian safety. It’s darker than the iPhone cam makes it look.

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Someone on Twitter also already replied that various bits on it might not be legal / in line with rules. I guess would need to be checked maybe? 
 

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UK guide to crossings is in this link

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/330214/ltn-2-95_pedestrian-crossings.pdf
 

Manx guide is here which uses the UK guide is here

https://www.gov.im/media/1368674/pedestrian-crossings-guidance-document.pdf

part of uk guide relevant to roundabouts is here. Recommends not mixing types of crossing on same junction, Broadway has different type on each exit

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Put in perspective though

The Team is responsible for:

  • 12 speed signs
  • 14 variable message signs
  • 47 pedestrian crossing installations
  • Over 60 traffic signals
  • 70 school signs
  • Over 250 bollards

But you're forgetting their extensive list of "Completed Projects", which includes "Douglas Town Centre Regeneration", so it's nice that that's been done. 

Actually the Beamans Report was very revealing about the Project Management Unit.  At the moment it has six people in it - one or two project managers and four or five people to manage them.  They recommended increasing the number of PMs to nine from one/two, but knowing the civil service that increase will probably be reallocated to more people at the top of the hierarchy.

Of course the lack of people actually managing the projects explains why so much of the work gets outsourced (to BSA) or simply not done.

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17 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

But you're forgetting their extensive list of "Completed Projects", which includes "Douglas Town Centre Regeneration", so it's nice that that's been done. 

Actually the Beamans Report was very revealing about the Project Management Unit.  At the moment it has six people in it - one or two project managers and four or five people to manage them.  They recommended increasing the number of PMs to nine from one/two, but knowing the civil service that increase will probably be reallocated to more people at the top of the hierarchy.

Of course the lack of people actually managing the projects explains why so much of the work gets outsourced (to BSA) or simply not done.

You've gone off piste. All I said was the DOI outsourced the design of the prom to a consultant. They do not have in house expertise for a project of this size.

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