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4 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

Looks like the Broadway Roundel zebra crossing has been closed off to pedestrians. 

 

I'm told DOI have been advised it's nonstandard/illegal due to it's proximity to the junction. 

A friend complained about it to myprom earlier in the week as there are no crossings open North of there on the promenade and no signs as to where nearest open crossing is. Were told it was to do with replacing blockwork but they had no idea how long it was shut for. 

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2 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

That looks great , and its not , compared to the road as mentioned on my post above. It looked like actual holes or breaking up already from what I could see . If your down again check it out . I might try and take some pics on Sunday .

Why block pavement in front of Castle Mona shops and acres of tarmac either side of it?, looks awful to me. 

 

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12 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

Looks like the Broadway Roundel zebra crossing has been closed off to pedestrians. 

 

I'm told DOI have been advised it's nonstandard/illegal due to it's proximity to the junction. 

Well if that is the reason then the one on bottom of Broadway has to be illegal also. Interesting times ! And all this with the depth of knowledge and expertise assembled at great expense in DOI .

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Just now, ellanvannin2010 said:

Why block pavement in front of Castle Mona shops and acres of tarmac either side of it?, looks awful to me. 

 

My guess is it was meant to be right along but because of overrun/ costs etc they have cut out lots of the spec. Theres quite alot of that gone on over the last year. 

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1 minute ago, Happier diner said:

Can crossings actually be illegal?

I believe theres regulations covering them as standard safe practices . I thought a crossing couldnt be withing a certain distance of a junction but others on here would know better. Derek Flint should know .     

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Just now, Numbnuts said:

I believe theres regulations covering them as standard safe practices . I thought a crossing couldnt be withing a certain distance of a junction but others on here would know better. Derek Flint should know .     

That would make it not compliant with a standard.....but not illegal. 

Perhaps it could be said to have no legal standing and that a vehicle was not compelled to stop at one if a pedestrian set foot on it. But then I thought that was always the idea. They were not supposed to be zebra crossings, more a loose indication of a place to cross.

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2 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

That would make it not compliant with a standard.....but not illegal. 

Perhaps it could be said to have no legal standing and that a vehicle was not compelled to stop at one if a pedestrian set foot on it. But then I thought that was always the idea. They were not supposed to be zebra crossings, more a loose indication of a place to cross.

Get what your saying and you could be right. Big risk to take though . See you in court comes to mind if anything should happen .

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3 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Can crossings actually be illegal?

Might not be correctly sited or signed, not sure if that is the same as illegal. 

It certainly does not meet the recommendations in the UK guide they use as you should not mix the type of crossing on junction exits. 

If the grey/light grey crossings are not zebra crossings then why have the all grey ones also?. 

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1 minute ago, Numbnuts said:

Get what your saying and you could be right. Big risk to take though . See you in court comes to mind if anything should happen .

I'm not defending them, merely clarifying the legality.

Not sure who would be in court for what. If a driver kills a pedestrian, they are at fault whether the pedestrian is on a crossing or not.

As they stand they are clearly not pedestrian crossings

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3 minutes ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

Might not be correctly sited or signed, not sure if that is the same as illegal. 

It certainly does not meet the recommendations in the UK guide they use as you should not mix the type of crossing on junction exits. 

If the grey/light grey crossings are not zebra crossings then why have the all grey ones also?. 

I'm not sure they are even trying to be zebra crossings.

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8 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I'm not sure they are even trying to be zebra crossings.

From a health and safety angle though there must have to be an acceptable means to cross the Prom bearing in mind it can get really busy down there . Do these meet that requirment ? If not how do you fill the void. And how do disabled or compromised pedestrians cross safely ?  Surely theres a onus on DOI to make any crossing , or whatever you want to call them , safe to negotiate. 

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6 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

From a health and safety angle though there must have to be an acceptable means to cross the Prom bearing in mind it can get really busy down there . Do these meet that requirment ? If not how do you fill the void. And how do disabled or compromised pedestrians cross safely ?  Surely theres a onus on DOI to make any crossing , or whatever you want to call them , safe to negotiate. 

I'm not sure why you are asking me this question.

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Tim

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