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24 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I'm not defending them, merely clarifying the legality.

Not sure who would be in court for what. If a driver kills a pedestrian, they are at fault whether the pedestrian is on a crossing or not.

As they stand they are clearly not pedestrian crossings

The same as the roundels are not unmarked junctions, despite what Plod might say. 

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1 hour ago, Numbnuts said:

I believe theres regulations covering them as standard safe practices . I thought a crossing couldnt be withing a certain distance of a junction but others on here would know better. Derek Flint should know .     

From memory I think the recommended minimum distances from a junction are 20m for light controlled crossing and 5m for a zebra crossing.

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Just now, ellanvannin2010 said:

From memory I think the recommended minimum distances from a junction are 20m for light controlled crossing and 5m for a zebra crossing.

Well the bottom of Broadway is not even close to that so either the powers that be are winging it or its wrong. Going to be interesting to see what happens when its all up and working and open and Xmas traffic is in the equation. 

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4 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Well the bottom of Broadway is not even close to that so either the powers that be are winging it or its wrong. Going to be interesting to see what happens when its all up and working and open and Xmas traffic is in the equation. 

This is the UK standard booklet. 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/330214/ltn-2-95_pedestrian-crossings.pdf

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11 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

Let's fine out if any of the class of '21 have the cahunas. 

 

It will need to be a coordinated approach with cross-Tynwald support. 

Totally , you dont take on the CS on a whim and on your own. Hence the need for the CM to be totally on board and any ministers have to sign on to the process too . I really hope it happens .

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35 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

Let's fine out if any of the class of '21 have the cahunas. 

 

It will need to be a coordinated approach with cross-Tynwald support. 

Not just Cahunas though is it?

They also need knowledge of streamlining significant sized businesses and implement wide sweeping new cultures, policies etc. 

Unless you just mean they just need to  sack the top layer then bring in a support someone ruthless from off island?

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41 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

Not just Cahunas though is it?

They also need knowledge of streamlining significant sized businesses and implement wide sweeping new cultures, policies etc. 

Unless you just mean they just need to  sack the top layer then bring in a support someone ruthless from off island?

It is to a degree. It's having the tenacity and vision to put an end to the current regime at DOI. 

 

It can't be streamlined or have a change of culture - that's already been tried and they always manage to swerve it... remember Gawne and Reynolds promising to save +£2m a year at the airport? 

New structures are needed, but only in return for the current ones being thrown on the bonfire. 

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6 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

I was driving so not that easy to view but its either breaking up already or laid very badly. And I mean VERY badly.

The join between the concrete and the tarmac has left lots of space for water ingress and freeze/thaw action will have that potholed in 18 months... 

But then maybe they didn't bother too much as they know all the concrete has to come up anyway! 

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5 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

A friend complained about it to myprom earlier in the week as there are no crossings open North of there on the promenade and no signs as to where nearest open crossing is. Were told it was to do with replacing blockwork but they had no idea how long it was shut for. 

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Blockwork is an interesting excuse. This one has been relaid twice already before it was even open to traffic... just like the one at Sam Webbs.

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