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20 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Looks like Tim Crookal has started as he means to go on. Not like him to sit on the fence !!

NEWS: Douglas Promenade will be finished 'as soon as possible' to the standard which is expected.

That's the view of the new infrastructure minister who says he won't commit to revealing deadline dates.

#News #IoM #ManxRadio

Surely "not issuing deadline dates" publicly also then takes any pressure off the workforce/contractors as well though? And whose "standard"? The DOI's to date, or the standard that the MTPs would like and expect to see?

I see there's a comment about his new Department's "previous failings" too. The Dept that Tim Baker "left in a better state than he found it"?

It's meaningless platitudes from the word "go" as far as I can see?

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3 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Surely "not issuing deadline dates" publicly also then takes any pressure off the workforce/contractors as well though? And whose "standard"? The DOI's to date, or the standard that the MTPs would like and expect to see?

Well the 'pressure' of deadlines doesn't seem to have much effect so far, except may to whack up overtime rates.  But the real problem here is that the whole project (assuming it was even necessary) has been designed incompetently at every level.  You really need to get outsiders in to sort it out and get rid of those in charge, probably under quite close political supervision.  And none of that will be acceptable to the civil service ("Use every man after his desert, and who should ’scape whipping?"). 

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I'd suggest that in the opinion of many of the GMP, Crookall's best start would involve marching one or two DOI mandarins out into the Sea Terminal carpark and telling them that if the job was not acceptably finished by a researched and realistic date then they'd be acquainting themselves with the counter in Markwell House; that's the public side of the counter.

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5 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

Looks like Tim Crookal has started as he means to go on. Not like him to sit on the fence !!

NEWS: Douglas Promenade will be finished 'as soon as possible' to the standard which is expected.

That's the view of the new infrastructure minister who says he won't commit to revealing deadline dates.

#News #IoM #ManxRadio

He's not on the fence. He has applied a higher intellect. He has worked out that the problem wasn't lack of progress ( or more correctly not meeting the programme) but the problem has been too many deadlines. Remove the deadlines, problem sorted. 

Now why didn't anyone else think of that. 

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5 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

 

NEWS: Douglas Promenade will be finished 'as soon as possible' to the standard which is expected.

 

well it's definitely the shit standard we all 'expected' ,  below and beyond even...........................

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46 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

I'd suggest that in the opinion of many of the GMP, Crookall's best start would involve marching one or two DOI mandarins out into the Sea Terminal carpark and telling them that if the job was not acceptably finished by a researched and realistic date then they'd be acquainting themselves with the counter in Markwell House; that's the public side of the counter.

How many chances do you give them ??? How many have they had already. We have remember the Prom , NSC and the continued ongoing works on Richmond Hill plus so many more.  They have had 3 years with continued GMP critiscm , and for the most part totally justified , and they still havent shown any signs of grasping the issues or at least making sure the work standard improves. There is something seriously wrong with the whole setup including managers , design and civil engineers . And to not have a clerk of the works throughout the whole scheme is inexcusable. Only way this can change is a clearout of senior DOI management . Dont like anyone to lose there jobs but clearly  in above their ability      

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2 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Hard to say without seeing the whole thing. 

There you go, but there is plenty in the screen shot to know that whoever was involved in that blatantly insane decision would be fired from a private business.

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6 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

Who cares?  Everyone knows what they meant.

Very true, especially other people who write it the same way.

However, there's a school of thought which says that if someone won't even take the time to run a spell checker, how far can any "facts" they present be trusted.

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As always you need to go to the original to get all the juicy details.  The actual reply (which only came today is on the FoI search with a title "Douglas Promenade Digital Counter" and was submitted on 27 September.  The actual request and  reply are as follows:

"Dear Sirs

The Department of Infrastructure installed a digital counter at the bottom of summer hill the cost at a reported cost to the tax payer of £16,000.

Please advise:

1. The actual cost including delivery set up purchase and installation for the digital counter.

2. Where is the digital counter now and does it still work.

3. What measures were taken into account before placing it beside a promenade wall and did the manufacturers warranty include damage by sea water .

4. If the digital counter is no longer working , what did the Department do with the broken digital counter .

Please supply all emails , letters ect in regards the damage caused to the digital counter."

Our response to your request is as follows:

1. The cost of the digital counter was circa £19,000 + costs of internal labour. This figure includes purchase cost, electrical supply and setup costs and software updates.

2. The Digital Display Kiosk is not working and has been disposed of accordingly.

3. Please refer to attached supporting correspondence and documents.

4. As per point 2; any salvageable components such as the LED display screens have been retained to see if they can be utilised elsewhere within our asset groups

Please see Appendix 1 for emails regarding the purchase, setup and damage to the digital counter.

Please see Appendix 2 containing documents relating to the purchase, setup and damage to the digital counter.

For all the real info you need to go to those appendices , especially the emails in A (as usual the servlet problem means I can't link directly).  But this para from page 37/38 sums it up:

I just wanted to let you know that the digital display kiosk which had the pedestrian and cyclist counter inside I originally procured for the Prom is essentially ‘knackered’, despite my specification that it must be constructed to withstand a high salt air/marine environment and showed the supplier where it would be going on the walkway in proximity to the sea it has corroded very badly on the outside of the casing and has so much water ingress that internal components have corroded and are not functioning, this is due mostly because of the vents for the air flow which allowed waves crashing over to enter the unit.

Naturally because of this disaster they've decided they now need three of them.

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