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Any construction project big or small will have a planned programme. Yes, almost inevitably that programme will change and so will be updated - maybe daily, maybe weekly. Maybe even hourly.

But there needs to be a plan. Except, clearly, on the Isle of Man.

It looks like Auldyn have won themselves a golden contract with this little beaut.

 

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3 minutes ago, Hmmmm said:

The contractors and more importantly, the DoI collective, must have been rubbing their hands when Tim nice but dim, was appointed.  So we will just do away with deadlines and see how things progress.  It was noticeable after he first made the no deadline comments the work almost ground to a halt.  

It literally says in the post why it ground to a halt.

He would be mad to set a deadline when work is dependant on a specialist off island and then getting the rails back here.

 

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Is it ever designed to be completed though, or a permanent work-in-progress with continual revisiting to modify and remedy? Now the points need more work, another section of the tramway is "put back", along with that already announced. This will see some people into retirement.

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2 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

It literally says in the post why it ground to a halt.

He would be mad to set a deadline when work is dependant on a specialist off island and then getting the rails back here.

 

Find out how long the work will take to deliver, including cost. Ask the fucking 'specialist' to give an estimate. If they can't then employ some fucker who can. 

Or make a fucking informed guess.

Then incorporate that work into the existing (if only?) plan.

It is not fucking fuckety fuck fuck fuck "impossible" to give an estimated completion date on anything.

Employ people who know what the fuck they are doing. Make a plan, allow for contingencies, and give a fucking completion date.

If there is some unforeseen problem then update the fucking plan accordingly. We all understand this sort of project is 'fluid' but that does not mean it has to be like a rudderless floundering ship.

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1 hour ago, Ramseyboi said:

It literally says in the post why it ground to a halt.

He would be mad to set a deadline when work is dependant on a specialist off island and then getting the rails back here.

 

This could be the first ever construction project that has a programme with no planned end date

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it will be impossible to give an exact date for the completion of the promenade works , there is a defects period yet ,and in my opinion much of the work allegedly completed is substandard and should be required to be done again  there is also damage to private properties that needs to be addressed , 

I don't know who came up with a design for the points on the horse tram rails ,but that, and the installation of the track looks like its also going to cause a significant delay , 

Add the possibility of contractual disputes ,and areas that might very well go to arbitration , we will be lucky if we see the prom taking shape before the springtime ,

in fairness to Crookall he has taken on a job most people would run a mile from ,and with the added possibility of a public enquiry into the cost and delivery of the whole promenade scheme , please give the Lad a chance !

 

 

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1 minute ago, Omobono said:

it will be impossible to give an exact date for the completion of the promenade works , there is a defects period yet ,and in my opinion much of the work allegedly completed is substandard and should be required to be done again  there is also damage to private properties that needs to be addressed , 

I don't know who came up with a design for the points on the horse tram rails ,but that, and the installation of the track looks like its also going to cause a significant delay , 

Add the possibility of contractual disputes ,and areas that might very well go to arbitration , we will be lucky if we see the prom taking shape before the springtime ,

in fairness to Crookall he has taken on a job most people would run a mile from ,and with the added possibility of a public enquiry into the cost and delivery of the whole promenade scheme , please give the Lad a chance !

 

 

I don't think anyone would expect an 'exact date'.

But at least a target date would give some assurance that they might know what they are doing.

No date gives the clear assurance that they don't know what they are doing!

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Since the start of the contract , or somewhere along the way they must of known they needed points for the rail corridor. How or why has it only reared its head now . Sorry but someone on project planning or engineering needs to be heading down the road. This is really beyond a joke now. All through the contract there doesn't seem to have been any joined up thinking about requirements and it says it all about DOI and irs set up. Be lucky to have it finished for end of March with weather , snagging and this latest cock up. And then it will start again at the end of the year with finishing the rail corridor. Mind blowing incompetence.   

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11 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Since the start of the contract , or somewhere along the way they must of known they needed points for the rail corridor. How or why has it only reared its head now . Sorry but someone on project planning or engineering needs to be heading down the road. This is really beyond a joke now. All through the contract there doesn't seem to have been any joined up thinking about requirements and it says it all about DOI and irs set up. Be lucky to have it finished for end of March with weather , snagging and this latest cock up. And then it will start again at the end of the year with finishing the rail corridor. Mind blowing incompetence.   

If you read the Strategic Board Minutes, you'll see that the issue with the points has been a regular topic

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32 minutes ago, kevster said:

If you read the Strategic Board Minutes, you'll see that the issue with the points has been a regular topic

Yes your right , and have been reading them , but to not have it sorted before now and also having to send points away at this late stage is just incompetence in my view.   

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2 hours ago, Hmmmm said:

The contractors and more importantly, the DoI collective, must have been rubbing their hands when Tim nice but dim, was appointed

That is hugely insulting to the Minister in charge. TC is nothing like his predecessor. He’s a realist who is determined to shake things up at the DOI and get it working properly again. He’s up against a huge task for sure but if anyone can turn things around then I believe he has the skills to do it. 

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13 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Yes your right , and have been reading them , but to not have it sorted before now and also having to send points away at this late stage is just incompetence in my view.   

The need to send them back was down to the railways inspector

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On 10/23/2021 at 11:07 AM, Numbnuts said:

If I was DOI management I woukd be frantically looking at the prom crossings and markings over this weekend and getting them sorted before it really hits the fan. Many warned them about St Johns crossing but the neanderthals wouldnt listen till too late .    

I sincerely hope that it's not just the relatives of the deceased that take legal action... the driver should consider taking action as well.

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