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4 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

I'm hearing they're going to pull the plug on the horse trams early this year so they can actually crack on and get some work done.... it's about time! 

Harmer claims they're still only 9 weeks behind too! Likely story 

Some of the engineers told me it was a year behind. Note recent press now states 'substantially complete' whereas it was 'complete' no problem. 

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I've explained this before Derek. From a friend working for a firm who is responsible for lots of services  , not Auldyn etc , while they had a concept plan from day one ie what the finished job would

It's not Harmer's direct fault. Nor any of those we elect. APART from not having the departmental and relevant experience and balls to stand up to and question the reams of bullshitters and chanc

But the problem isn't the horse trams.  It's the corporate culture of the Manx civil service.  Rather than accept the reality of what their main job is, which is maintain existing structures in the mo

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5 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

I'm hearing they're going to pull the plug on the horse trams early this year so they can actually crack on and get some work done.... it's about time! 

Harmer claims they're still only 9 weeks behind too! Likely story 

Brilliant strategy! Then of course they can blame the Manx winter weather.............

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59 minutes ago, english zloty said:

Some of the engineers told me it was a year behind. Note recent press now states 'substantially complete' whereas it was 'complete' no problem. 

Some of the workers down there say the biggest thing holding them back is the horse trams and there is a push for them not to run at all in the next 18 - 24 months, so they can actually crack on and get things finished. 

The progress on Queens Prom has been glacial as they've been held back by having to accommodate the trams. Time to say enough is enough and sack them off for at least 2 years.

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11 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said:

i'm no civil engineer but i'd have thought that at least somebody would have come up with the plan of cryogenically freezing the tram horses for 2 years, then re-animating them once the work is done. 

As I recall, Findus have some experience in the field of frozen horses. The microwave instructions for re-animation were on the packet.

 

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5 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

Is this nine weeks behind thing before or after they have to dig up and replace all the red concrete they have laid so far. 

Is it nine weeks in dog time?

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3 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

Some of the workers down there say the biggest thing holding them back is the horse trams and there is a push for them not to run at all in the next 18 - 24 months, so they can actually crack on and get things finished. 

The progress on Queens Prom has been glacial as they've been held back by having to accommodate the trams. Time to say enough is enough and sack them off for at least 2 years.

This is a excuse ! No trams south of the Palace so no excuse. Big hold before they got started due to not having planning and a contractor finalized ..Then big hold up during and after TT ,after due to the first cracks. Then a revised spec ,rails lifted and mesh put in pink middle concrete which delayed the job. Then the second worse cracks so grind to a halt again while the brains trust go to plan C and they are back up and running now again . Still nowhere enough men on the job and seems little idea how to proceed . Apart from Steve Christian's men nothing much else ..Lots of breaking up of concrete but nothing getting finished. I'd agree with the other poster in that it's a year behind 

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7 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

This is a excuse ! No trams south of the Palace so no excuse. Big hold before they got started due to not having planning and a contractor finalized ..Then big hold up during and after TT ,after due to the first cracks. Then a revised spec ,rails lifted and mesh put in pink middle concrete which delayed the job. Then the second worse cracks so grind to a halt again while the brains trust go to plan C and they are back up and running now again . Still nowhere enough men on the job and seems little idea how to proceed . Apart from Steve Christian's men nothing much else ..Lots of breaking up of concrete but nothing getting finished. I'd agree with the other poster in that it's a year behind 

It's the way the scheme has been arranged. There was a fella posting a few somewhere (may have been IOM Online) a few months back and he seemed to have been involved in a load of tram/train projects in the UK. Basically he was saying it's fucking mental to put the tram tracks in before you've sorted out all of the other utilities and things buried under the ground. 

He said it would have been simpler and far quicker to do all that first, sort out the road itself, then drive a new track along the Prom.

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Rushen Rear Admiral Watterson has addressed the nation!

 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/juan-watterson-addresses-public-over-traffic-issues-in-south/

It's  a shame he can't draft in his friends from the military to get this done quicker... he could even order drone strikes on any cars going against the one-way system.

 

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Juan Watterson is making a point: Problems come down to 'bad planning and bad communication'

Minister DOI: Ray Harmer

Chief Exec: Nick Black

It is inconceivable that the Minister was not made aware of these works to be carried out and even more inconceivable that the delays and disruption could not be foreseen.

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4 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

It's the way the scheme has been arranged. There was a fella posting a few somewhere (may have been IOM Online) a few months back and he seemed to have been involved in a load of tram/train projects in the UK. Basically he was saying it's fucking mental to put the tram tracks in before you've sorted out all of the other utilities and things buried under the ground. 

He said it would have been simpler and far quicker to do all that first, sort out the road itself, then drive a new track along the Prom.

Longworth has some clout..why I have no idea but because he had Tram events advertised they couldn't be cancelled so hence the Horse trams had to run...forward planning !! Zero 

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1 hour ago, Numbnuts said:

Longworth has some clout..why I have no idea but because he had Tram events advertised they couldn't be cancelled so hence the Horse trams had to run...forward planning !! Zero 

They didn't "have" to run, they could have been cancelled but it appears nobody down there has the bollocks to stand up to this idiot.

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