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Groynes were not buried, they were wrll down towards low water mark. Which is now showing bare rock, they were not repaired just left to fall apart. Tried fitting some about 15 odd years ago, only went down about three feet with blob of concrete on end. Was pitifully seeing them trying to dig a hole in wet sand, numpty's never heard of pile driving

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12 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

I have a vague recollection that their removal was a matter of some debate within DBC some years ago, a Cllr Chatel might have had something to do with it?

I'll have to read through the notes but safe to say Douglas beach has been a long time discussion point with various ideas and schemes being discussed to improve flow and thereby sand quality, and also fix the issue of sand buildup by the wall. 

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12 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said:

Groynes were not buried, they were wrll down towards low water mark. Which is now showing bare rock, they were not repaired just left to fall apart. Tried fitting some about 15 odd years ago, only went down about three feet with blob of concrete on end. Was pitifully seeing them trying to dig a hole in wet sand, numpty's never heard of pile driving

They seemed to just disappear though. No news and I never saw anything happening. Just walking the dog on the beach one day and I thought, hang on, whee have all the groynes gone?

As the Welsh would say, "there they are, gone!"

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1 hour ago, ptarmigan said:

The new proposal for the sea wall and the mismatch of colours on the walkway doesn’t look amazing to be honest.  

NOTHING about the prom looks amazing in way shape or form , it's a shit show of epic proportions , about 2 miles long actually.

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31 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

I'll have to read through the notes but safe to say Douglas beach has been a long time discussion point with various ideas and schemes being discussed to improve flow and thereby sand quality, and also fix the issue of sand buildup by the wall. 

Long time discussion? How about some action.

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At least no-one has (yet) suggested that the beach should be filled with white sand from the Sahara, like one of the beaches on Tenerife.

"5 million bags of sand arrived in the ship Gopegui. It was used to fill the beach in the first half of 1973 to create the artificial beach of white sand, which opened on 15 June 1973, although with initial problems due to red ants and scorpions that were imported along with the sand."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playa_de_Las_Teresitas

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14 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

At least no-one has (yet) suggested that the beach should be filled with white sand from the Sahara, like one of the beaches on Tenerife.

"5 million bags of sand arrived in the ship Gopegui. It was used to fill the beach in the first half of 1973 to create the artificial beach of white sand, which opened on 15 June 1973, although with initial problems due to red ants and scorpions that were imported along with the sand."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playa_de_Las_Teresitas

We could catch the scorpions and stick them in a bottle of 'Manx' tequila.

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1 hour ago, Happier diner said:

They seemed to just disappear though. No news and I never saw anything happening. Just walking the dog on the beach one day and I thought, hang on, whee have all the groynes gone?

As the Welsh would say, "there they are, gone!"

The groynes were ripped out by a large digger a few years ago (2020?) over the course of a few weeks. 

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14 hours ago, Gladys said:

The extension to the breakwater stopped the natural scouring of the beach as I recall.  

More than likely. 

And generally most attempts to 'engineer' sea flow/currents/sand deposits generally fail and end up with unexpected outcomes. It's too dynamic an environment with too many intricately balanced variables.  God knows what the DOI would come up with when they can't even lay a railway track. 

However, I have seen regular dredging, moving and dumping of sand elsewhere, that has been successful in places.  But this is laborious and expensive and again probably not something we'd want to see undertaken. 

What's the perceived issue with Douglas beach nowadays?  Seems very similar to what it always has been. 

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6 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

More than likely. 

And generally most attempts to 'engineer' sea flow/currents/sand deposits generally fail and end up with unexpected outcomes. It's too dynamic an environment with too many intricately balanced variables.  God knows what the DOI would come up with when they can't even lay a railway track. 

However, I have seen regular dredging, moving and dumping of sand elsewhere, that has been successful in places.  But this is laborious and expensive and again probably not something we'd want to see undertaken. 

What's the perceived issue with Douglas beach nowadays?  Seems very similar to what it always has been. 

The sand level is several feet higher than it was 30 years ago, which then stops the wave breaking effect of the seawall which is designed with a shape to break the waves up, but which is now buried under the sand which comes right to the level of the prom.

If you were to dig opposite the Empress by memory there are 10 or 15 steps down to the beach which are now completely buried.  I remember jumping down to the beach opposite the Palace.

We don’t need a new sea wall along there, we need to move all the sand so the wall that is already there can do what it was designed to do

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23 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

What's the perceived issue with Douglas beach nowadays?  Seems very similar to what it always has been. 

It's not a curved mile of pristine white coral sand which it should be to complement the new Promenade...

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