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7 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Everyone knew it would be a total disaster from day one. Is anyone honestly surprised it’s a complete mess and behind schedule. I wonder if they are at the compensation stage for the embarrassing mess they’ve made of Queens Prom already as the traders are furious and spoiling for a fight. That myprom thing is a joke too. You get the impression that all they do every day is sit round in a circle in a site hut and toss each other off in between pointless tweets that give the public absolutely no information of any value at all as they can’t tweet a truthful “fuck all happened again today” every day for six weeks. 

I think you are being very unfair to them there TSOS, tossing each other off would involve an element of work and as we already know...

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Maybe they've burned through the £23M already?

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1 hour ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Everyone knew it would be a total disaster from day one. Is anyone honestly surprised it’s a complete mess and behind schedule. I wonder if they are at the compensation stage for the embarrassing mess they’ve made of Queens Prom already as the traders are furious and spoiling for a fight. 

Don't tell anyone, but all the red concrete between the expensive train tracks outside the Queens is cracking up already. 

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

Maybe they've burned through the £23M already?

The talk last week in the Queens was they are already 'substantially' over budget and the train tracks have been dropped from Loch Promenade/will now finish at the Villa Marina. 

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1 hour ago, On The Bus said:

The talk last week in the Queens was they are already 'substantially' over budget and the train tracks have been dropped from Loch Promenade/will now finish at the Villa Marina. 

That seems to tie in with the fact that there looks to be no provisions for tracks by the old Villiers site

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1 hour ago, On The Bus said:

The talk last week in the Queens was they are already 'substantially' over budget and the train tracks have been dropped from Loch Promenade/will now finish at the Villa Marina. 

Good.

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9 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Good.

There's not much good about it IMHO.

IF it's gone over budget then it's a massive failure of management and accountancy. Again.

Plenty on these boards predicted unforseen problems with what was going to be encountered and only a month ago it was stated that progress had been hampered by "uncharted services". On a Victorian promenade. Well who'd have guessed?!

People said that the DOI wouldn't be able to do the job and UK contractors should be brought in. Hmmmm. Maybe they weren't so wrong.

Only two things are certain. Firstly, we will end up with half the job that we were told. Secondly, that it will cost us, the taxpayers far more than we were originally quoted.

And we will still be paying for it all. For a long time to come.

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2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:
20 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Good.

There's not much good about it IMHO.

IF it's gone over budget then it's a massive failure of management and accountancy. Again.

Plenty on these boards predicted unforseen problems with what was going to be encountered and only a month ago it was stated that progress had been hampered by "uncharted services". On a Victorian promenade. Well who'd have guessed?!

People said that the DOI wouldn't be able to do the job and UK contractors should be brought in. Hmmmm. Maybe they weren't so wrong.

Only two things are certain. Firstly, we will end up with half the job that we were told. Secondly, that it will cost us, the taxpayers far more than we were originally quoted. 

And we will still be paying for it all. For a long time to come.

Sorry, I meant good that they may not continue the track past the Villa. I love the trams, but don't agree with them crossing the road and travelling on the nearside of Loch Prom.

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4 hours ago, On The Bus said:

The talk last week in the Queens was they are already 'substantially' over budget and the train tracks have been dropped from Loch Promenade/will now finish at the Villa Marina. 

Putting the over-budget issue to one side and, if what you say is true about the trams terminating at the Villa Gaiety complex ("the cultural quarter"), then it sounds very likely that from the Gaiety to the old Villiers site will be the much discussed shared space. You know, the part that got dropped due to opposition, which was one of the reasons why the overall cost was reduced.

Defo something not right, at all.

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7 hours ago, On The Bus said:

The talk last week in the Queens was they are already 'substantially' over budget and the train tracks have been dropped from Loch Promenade/will now finish at the Villa Marina. 

 

6 hours ago, Neil Down said:

That seems to tie in with the fact that there looks to be no provisions for tracks by the old Villiers site

The train tracks have already been bought and paid for by the Govt so they will be put in.

The single lane track will run from the War Memorial to the Sea Terminal on the Prom side hence no provision for the track in the middle of the Prom.

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20 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

 

The train tracks have already been bought and paid for by the Govt so they will be put in.

The single lane track will run from the War Memorial to the Sea Terminal on the Prom side hence no provision for the track in the middle of the Prom.

No they won't. The time/disruption and chaos that the first little but of train track has caused has seen to it. Apparently they can use the same train track on the electric railway. 

It's great news if Loch Prom will finally be tram free! It's just a shame they built any new track at the other end. Could have saved millions and reduced the work by months! 

 

Still if it keeps a couple of sad anoraks happy then of course it's worth it! 

 

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9 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

Prom is coned off all the way to Jaks now. Let the proper disruption commence.... 

Get yer bikes out, it'll be quicker in the long run...

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13 hours ago, On The Bus said:

No they won't. The time/disruption and chaos that the first little but of train track has caused has seen to it. Apparently they can use the same train track on the electric railway. 

It's great news if Loch Prom will finally be tram free! It's just a shame they built any new track at the other end. Could have saved millions and reduced the work by months! 

 

Still if it keeps a couple of sad anoraks happy then of course it's worth it! 

 

It is well known that Ian Longworth wanted the new tram line to terminate at the Sefton, and apparently he threw his toys around quite a lot, but eventually lost the argument.

But, I'm sure that you are wrong about the plans for Loch Prom being changed, for two reasons:-

1. The section from the Sea Terminal to Broadway is subject to Planning Consent, which has been obtained, and so they can't just randomly change the plan, in such a fundamental way, on a whim.

2. The new red/pink concrete area on Loch Promenade, which will eventually be some sort of pedestrian refuge, in the middle of the new carriageway. Its position allows for where the 'middle' will be, when the horse trams are on the seaward side, next to the sunken gardens.

 

 

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