english zloty 620 Posted September 17, 2019 4 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said: I'm hearing they're going to pull the plug on the horse trams early this year so they can actually crack on and get some work done.... it's about time! Harmer claims they're still only 9 weeks behind too! Likely story Some of the engineers told me it was a year behind. Note recent press now states 'substantially complete' whereas it was 'complete' no problem. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc.fixit 2,430 Posted September 17, 2019 5 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said: I'm hearing they're going to pull the plug on the horse trams early this year so they can actually crack on and get some work done.... it's about time! Harmer claims they're still only 9 weeks behind too! Likely story Brilliant strategy! Then of course they can blame the Manx winter weather............. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxdaleliberationfront 595 Posted September 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, english zloty said: Some of the engineers told me it was a year behind. Note recent press now states 'substantially complete' whereas it was 'complete' no problem. Some of the workers down there say the biggest thing holding them back is the horse trams and there is a push for them not to run at all in the next 18 - 24 months, so they can actually crack on and get things finished. The progress on Queens Prom has been glacial as they've been held back by having to accommodate the trams. Time to say enough is enough and sack them off for at least 2 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the stinking enigma 10,029 Posted September 17, 2019 i'm no civil engineer but i'd have thought that at least somebody would have come up with the plan of cryogenically freezing the tram horses for 2 years, then re-animating them once the work is done. would save an absolute fortune in hay 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheldon 851 Posted September 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: i'm no civil engineer but i'd have thought that at least somebody would have come up with the plan of cryogenically freezing the tram horses for 2 years, then re-animating them once the work is done. As I recall, Findus have some experience in the field of frozen horses. The microwave instructions for re-animation were on the packet. 2 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the stinking enigma 10,029 Posted September 17, 2019 If we can tie findus down to some sort of bogof deal here then it's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned. But, like I said, I'm no civil engineer. I'm sure they probably know more about this sort of stuff than the likes of me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Hedgehog 658 Posted September 17, 2019 Is this nine weeks behind thing before or after they have to dig up and replace all the red concrete they have laid so far. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Down 7,173 Posted September 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Is this nine weeks behind thing before or after they have to dig up and replace all the red concrete they have laid so far. Is it nine weeks in dog time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 4,209 Posted September 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Neil Down said: Is it nine weeks in dog time? At the rate they're going it will be closer to nine years! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Numbnuts 874 Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said: Some of the workers down there say the biggest thing holding them back is the horse trams and there is a push for them not to run at all in the next 18 - 24 months, so they can actually crack on and get things finished. The progress on Queens Prom has been glacial as they've been held back by having to accommodate the trams. Time to say enough is enough and sack them off for at least 2 years. This is a excuse ! No trams south of the Palace so no excuse. Big hold before they got started due to not having planning and a contractor finalized ..Then big hold up during and after TT ,after due to the first cracks. Then a revised spec ,rails lifted and mesh put in pink middle concrete which delayed the job. Then the second worse cracks so grind to a halt again while the brains trust go to plan C and they are back up and running now again . Still nowhere enough men on the job and seems little idea how to proceed . Apart from Steve Christian's men nothing much else ..Lots of breaking up of concrete but nothing getting finished. I'd agree with the other poster in that it's a year behind Edited September 17, 2019 by Numbnuts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxdaleliberationfront 595 Posted September 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Numbnuts said: This is a excuse ! No trams south of the Palace so no excuse. Big hold before they got started due to not having planning and a contractor finalized ..Then big hold up during and after TT ,after due to the first cracks. Then a revised spec ,rails lifted and mesh put in pink middle concrete which delayed the job. Then the second worse cracks so grind to a halt again while the brains trust go to plan C and they are back up and running now again . Still nowhere enough men on the job and seems little idea how to proceed . Apart from Steve Christian's men nothing much else ..Lots of breaking up of concrete but nothing getting finished. I'd agree with the other poster in that it's a year behind It's the way the scheme has been arranged. There was a fella posting a few somewhere (may have been IOM Online) a few months back and he seemed to have been involved in a load of tram/train projects in the UK. Basically he was saying it's fucking mental to put the tram tracks in before you've sorted out all of the other utilities and things buried under the ground. He said it would have been simpler and far quicker to do all that first, sort out the road itself, then drive a new track along the Prom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxdaleliberationfront 595 Posted September 18, 2019 Rushen Rear Admiral Watterson has addressed the nation! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/juan-watterson-addresses-public-over-traffic-issues-in-south/ It's a shame he can't draft in his friends from the military to get this done quicker... he could even order drone strikes on any cars going against the one-way system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gettafa 6,391 Posted September 18, 2019 Juan Watterson is making a point: Problems come down to 'bad planning and bad communication' Minister DOI: Ray Harmer Chief Exec: Nick Black It is inconceivable that the Minister was not made aware of these works to be carried out and even more inconceivable that the delays and disruption could not be foreseen. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Numbnuts 874 Posted September 18, 2019 4 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said: It's the way the scheme has been arranged. There was a fella posting a few somewhere (may have been IOM Online) a few months back and he seemed to have been involved in a load of tram/train projects in the UK. Basically he was saying it's fucking mental to put the tram tracks in before you've sorted out all of the other utilities and things buried under the ground. He said it would have been simpler and far quicker to do all that first, sort out the road itself, then drive a new track along the Prom. Longworth has some clout..why I have no idea but because he had Tram events advertised they couldn't be cancelled so hence the Horse trams had to run...forward planning !! Zero Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Down 7,173 Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Numbnuts said: Longworth has some clout..why I have no idea but because he had Tram events advertised they couldn't be cancelled so hence the Horse trams had to run...forward planning !! Zero They didn't "have" to run, they could have been cancelled but it appears nobody down there has the bollocks to stand up to this idiot. Edited September 18, 2019 by Neil Down 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
