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16 minutes ago, Neil Down said:
1 hour ago, Numbnuts said:

Longworth has some clout..why I have no idea but because he had Tram events advertised they couldn't be cancelled so hence the Horse trams had to run...forward planning !! Zero 

They didn't "have" to run, they could have been cancelled but it appears nobody down there has the bollocks to stand up to this idiot.

That's pretty much the excuse they used.  You may remember that IOM Newspapers put in an FoI request last month to get the details of these contracts that meant the DoI 'had' to run the trams.  In return all they got sent was a few brochures from tour operators that happened to mention the horse trams.  Certainly any tour details I've seen that involve vintage transport tend to treat the horse trams as an optional extra and stress they may not be available.  This makes sense as (like the MER) they have always has a shorter running season than the trains and are more prone to being hit by external factors.

Whether Longworth's influence is the real reason or just an excuse is another matter.  Refusing to change your plans, despite all the evidence they aren't working is very much the standard way the DoI operates.  I get the impression it suits them to blame everything on the horse trams and so provide an easy target (as can be seen on this thread) while the truth is they simply don't have the skills to manage this project.  Which isn't all that big, despite the claims - it's just that they have made it very long and complicated and expensive to justify themselves.

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14 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

Lots of breaking up of concrete but nothing getting finished.

And not being loaded into trucks, for disposal at whoever is reducing it to dust these days.

It is really odd that they're leaving the broken stuff in place. Surely there can't be a shortage of suitable transport equipment having planned this for so long?? Or are the delays such that the hauliers have moved on to another unrelated job and now DOI have to wait?

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8 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

It is really odd that they're leaving the broken stuff in place. Surely there can't be a shortage of suitable transport equipment having planned this for so long?? Or are the delays such that the hauliers have moved on to another unrelated job and now DOI have to wait?

Insurance claim and can’t be disposed of until inspected by a loss adjuster? 

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2 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Insurance claim and can’t be disposed of until inspected by a loss adjuster? 

I'm referring to the old surface they started to take up over the weekend, not the newly laid part.

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1 hour ago, Neil Down said:

They didn't "have" to run, they could have been cancelled but it appears nobody down there has the bollocks to stand up to this idiot.

I agree they didn't and shouldn't but that was  the excuse given as Rodger Mexico stated . 

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38 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

And not being loaded into trucks, for disposal at whoever is reducing it to dust these days.

It is really odd that they're leaving the broken stuff in place. Surely there can't be a shortage of suitable transport equipment having planned this for so long?? Or are the delays such that the hauliers have moved on to another unrelated job and now DOI have to wait?

Agree totally ..looking in there doesn't seem to be any urgency to make up any lost time. On any job the first thing you do is clear all rubble  etc so works can crack on...clearly not in this case ..they have never been in a rush to clear the rubble . They should be clearing it as it's broken up . Plenty of room on lock prom where it's wider to get a machine in and clear it straight away . Too organized ..not 

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9 minutes ago, doc.fixit said:

Newsflash.............I actually saw workers there today! Fifteen of them!

Are you positive. Check for mirrors dotted around the fences...

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2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

I get the impression it suits them to blame everything on the horse trams and so provide an easy target (as can be seen on this thread) while the truth is they simply don't have the skills to manage this project. 

I think the point is that the horses are an added complication to an already convoluted situation. Everything should be kept as simple as possible to they can crack on and get the job done to the best standard, at the best price and in the quickest time... but as it's DOI that will never happen. 

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13 minutes ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

I think the point is that the horses are an added complication to an already convoluted situation. Everything should be kept as simple as possible to they can crack on and get the job done to the best standard, at the best price and in the quickest time... but as it's DOI that will never happen. 

Oh quite, given the way they decided to do the project suspending the service would have been the obvious thing.  But it's a symptom of how badly planned it was rather than the cause as some seem to think.

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2 hours ago, DragonS said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/should-the-horse-trams-run-next-year/

 

Bit late to be having this conversation. Should have been debated before approval was given to go ahead with the chaos/improvements.

I like the horse trams but if it helps the job get finished on time , no chance,,,, then stop them for next year..I agree they should have been stopped this year and reason for them running doesn't stand up as issues should have been anticipated .. Only proviso is that if they stop them they need to sort themselves out...get lots more men on the job , preferably with proper supervision ..Waste of time if there's only ever 10 plus guys down there  

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3 hours ago, DragonS said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/should-the-horse-trams-run-next-year/

 

Bit late to be having this conversation. Should have been debated before approval was given to go ahead with the chaos/improvements.

Not just nest year, but no more trams until the whole job is finished.

It seems like the DOI act like children, so maybe they should be treated as such! No tram playtime until you finish your work! 

 

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Just drove along the prom this morning. Amazing just how many irresponsible motorists have moved the cones just to park their car.

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