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17 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

Is it nine weeks in dog time?

At the rate they're going it will be closer to nine years!

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3 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

Some of the workers down there say the biggest thing holding them back is the horse trams and there is a push for them not to run at all in the next 18 - 24 months, so they can actually crack on and get things finished. 

The progress on Queens Prom has been glacial as they've been held back by having to accommodate the trams. Time to say enough is enough and sack them off for at least 2 years.

This is a excuse ! No trams south of the Palace so no excuse. Big hold before they got started due to not having planning and a contractor finalized ..Then big hold up during and after TT ,after due to the first cracks. Then a revised spec ,rails lifted and mesh put in pink middle concrete which delayed the job. Then the second worse cracks so grind to a halt again while the brains trust go to plan C and they are back up and running now again . Still nowhere enough men on the job and seems little idea how to proceed . Apart from Steve Christian's men nothing much else ..Lots of breaking up of concrete but nothing getting finished. I'd agree with the other poster in that it's a year behind 

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7 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

This is a excuse ! No trams south of the Palace so no excuse. Big hold before they got started due to not having planning and a contractor finalized ..Then big hold up during and after TT ,after due to the first cracks. Then a revised spec ,rails lifted and mesh put in pink middle concrete which delayed the job. Then the second worse cracks so grind to a halt again while the brains trust go to plan C and they are back up and running now again . Still nowhere enough men on the job and seems little idea how to proceed . Apart from Steve Christian's men nothing much else ..Lots of breaking up of concrete but nothing getting finished. I'd agree with the other poster in that it's a year behind 

It's the way the scheme has been arranged. There was a fella posting a few somewhere (may have been IOM Online) a few months back and he seemed to have been involved in a load of tram/train projects in the UK. Basically he was saying it's fucking mental to put the tram tracks in before you've sorted out all of the other utilities and things buried under the ground. 

He said it would have been simpler and far quicker to do all that first, sort out the road itself, then drive a new track along the Prom.

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Rushen Rear Admiral Watterson has addressed the nation!

 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/juan-watterson-addresses-public-over-traffic-issues-in-south/

It's  a shame he can't draft in his friends from the military to get this done quicker... he could even order drone strikes on any cars going against the one-way system.

 

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Juan Watterson is making a point: Problems come down to 'bad planning and bad communication'

Minister DOI: Ray Harmer

Chief Exec: Nick Black

It is inconceivable that the Minister was not made aware of these works to be carried out and even more inconceivable that the delays and disruption could not be foreseen.

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4 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

It's the way the scheme has been arranged. There was a fella posting a few somewhere (may have been IOM Online) a few months back and he seemed to have been involved in a load of tram/train projects in the UK. Basically he was saying it's fucking mental to put the tram tracks in before you've sorted out all of the other utilities and things buried under the ground. 

He said it would have been simpler and far quicker to do all that first, sort out the road itself, then drive a new track along the Prom.

Longworth has some clout..why I have no idea but because he had Tram events advertised they couldn't be cancelled so hence the Horse trams had to run...forward planning !! Zero 

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1 hour ago, Numbnuts said:

Longworth has some clout..why I have no idea but because he had Tram events advertised they couldn't be cancelled so hence the Horse trams had to run...forward planning !! Zero 

They didn't "have" to run, they could have been cancelled but it appears nobody down there has the bollocks to stand up to this idiot.

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16 minutes ago, Neil Down said:
1 hour ago, Numbnuts said:

Longworth has some clout..why I have no idea but because he had Tram events advertised they couldn't be cancelled so hence the Horse trams had to run...forward planning !! Zero 

They didn't "have" to run, they could have been cancelled but it appears nobody down there has the bollocks to stand up to this idiot.

That's pretty much the excuse they used.  You may remember that IOM Newspapers put in an FoI request last month to get the details of these contracts that meant the DoI 'had' to run the trams.  In return all they got sent was a few brochures from tour operators that happened to mention the horse trams.  Certainly any tour details I've seen that involve vintage transport tend to treat the horse trams as an optional extra and stress they may not be available.  This makes sense as (like the MER) they have always has a shorter running season than the trains and are more prone to being hit by external factors.

Whether Longworth's influence is the real reason or just an excuse is another matter.  Refusing to change your plans, despite all the evidence they aren't working is very much the standard way the DoI operates.  I get the impression it suits them to blame everything on the horse trams and so provide an easy target (as can be seen on this thread) while the truth is they simply don't have the skills to manage this project.  Which isn't all that big, despite the claims - it's just that they have made it very long and complicated and expensive to justify themselves.

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14 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

Lots of breaking up of concrete but nothing getting finished.

And not being loaded into trucks, for disposal at whoever is reducing it to dust these days.

It is really odd that they're leaving the broken stuff in place. Surely there can't be a shortage of suitable transport equipment having planned this for so long?? Or are the delays such that the hauliers have moved on to another unrelated job and now DOI have to wait?

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8 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

It is really odd that they're leaving the broken stuff in place. Surely there can't be a shortage of suitable transport equipment having planned this for so long?? Or are the delays such that the hauliers have moved on to another unrelated job and now DOI have to wait?

Insurance claim and can’t be disposed of until inspected by a loss adjuster? 

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2 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Insurance claim and can’t be disposed of until inspected by a loss adjuster? 

I'm referring to the old surface they started to take up over the weekend, not the newly laid part.

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1 hour ago, Neil Down said:

They didn't "have" to run, they could have been cancelled but it appears nobody down there has the bollocks to stand up to this idiot.

I agree they didn't and shouldn't but that was  the excuse given as Rodger Mexico stated . 

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38 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

And not being loaded into trucks, for disposal at whoever is reducing it to dust these days.

It is really odd that they're leaving the broken stuff in place. Surely there can't be a shortage of suitable transport equipment having planned this for so long?? Or are the delays such that the hauliers have moved on to another unrelated job and now DOI have to wait?

Agree totally ..looking in there doesn't seem to be any urgency to make up any lost time. On any job the first thing you do is clear all rubble  etc so works can crack on...clearly not in this case ..they have never been in a rush to clear the rubble . They should be clearing it as it's broken up . Plenty of room on lock prom where it's wider to get a machine in and clear it straight away . Too organized ..not 

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