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31 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

What is the point of building an unprofitable hotel?

Because it allows you to build a lot of very profitable apartments ! Whilst Will puts forward no doubt true and convincing arguments, none of them persuade me that the residential development is desirable given the nature of the ASSI. In respect of the apartments only the very wealthy will be able to afford one and the potential profits are huge, couple this with a failing hotel ( we need to make this apartments now its not working!), I use failing as its predicted to be so before it starts!! A sorry situation for all I reckon.

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2 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

What is the point of building an unprofitable hotel?

I think that a properly run decent hotel would be quite successful there. It's a really nice area with great views, we lack top level hotel rooms. Ideal for events and short breaks. 

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17 minutes ago, asitis said:
2 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

What is the point of building an unprofitable hotel?

Because it allows you to build a lot of very profitable apartments ! Whilst Will puts forward no doubt true and convincing arguments, none of them persuade me that the residential development is desirable given the nature of the ASSI. In respect of the apartments only the very wealthy will be able to afford one and the potential profits are huge, couple this with a failing hotel ( we need to make this apartments now its not working!), I use failing as its predicted to be so before it starts!! A sorry situation for all I reckon.

And of course if you build your hotel rooms as 'executive suites' then converting them into more apartments is pretty easy.

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45 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I think that a properly run decent hotel would be quite successful there. It's a really nice area with great views, we lack top level hotel rooms. Ideal for events and short breaks. 

The specialist hotel consultants thought otherwise

There are too many hotels on the island with too many bedrooms

That is why you don't get investment in 'top level hotel rooms'

Too much competition means that they don't pay

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51 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

The specialist hotel consultants thought otherwise

There are too many hotels on the island with too many bedrooms

That is why you don't get investment in 'top level hotel rooms'

Too much competition means that they don't pay

But there is no competition? We have no 5 star hotels so we don't get that market, most of ours are 2 or 3 star at best. One of the problems in organising any events here is the lack of bedrooms. 

As for converting rooms to apartments, they should have a covenant which prevents this.

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2 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

The specialist hotel consultants thought otherwise

There are too many hotels on the island with too many bedrooms

That is why you don't get investment in 'top level hotel rooms'

Too much competition means that they don't pay

I think it's not so much a lack of rooms as a changing accommodation market, with more people looking for AirBnB type stays.  Boutique hotels really only work in big cities or maybe when they are destinations in their own right.  And they need to be able to operate year round - and who wants to stay on the Langness Peninsula in February?

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Why? because it is currently an Hotel site, albeit, a derelict site and therfore easier to get planning permis. for similar, again, albeit with some luxury flats.

What is the alternative? Let it go even further into dereliction so that even Dandara or any future purchaser, say it is not viable as a pure  Hotel?

It is too easy to say the DRA objections are 'nimbyism', they are  simply trying to protect 'their' enviroment but the alternative would be to level the site and let it revert to nature.......

......but should that apply to all such sites? What updating development would we then have? Ramsey Quay side, Castle Mona, in 10 years, half of Douglas Proms' 'Boarding Houses'? To name a few.

\\\\\\i'm trying to be neutral on this///////.

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7 hours ago, Kopek said:

Why? because it is currently an Hotel site, albeit, a derelict site and therfore easier to get planning permis. for similar, again, albeit with some luxury flats.

What is the alternative? Let it go even further into dereliction so that even Dandara or any future purchaser, say it is not viable as a pure  Hotel?

It is too easy to say the DRA objections are 'nimbyism', they are  simply trying to protect 'their' enviroment but the alternative would be to level the site and let it revert to nature.......

......but should that apply to all such sites? What updating development would we then have? Ramsey Quay side, Castle Mona, in 10 years, half of Douglas Proms' 'Boarding Houses'? To name a few.

\\\\\\i'm trying to be neutral on this///////.

I agree mostly with your observations, but I also think that the planning consent for what was considered acceptable say 50 years or more ago, should be reviewable, and it shouldn't just be a case of what was okay then, is okay now ! The blunt truth is the site was bought to be high end apartments, there was  little interest in a hotel, that was just a consequence of keeping planning permission. The attitude which has developed over the years of "well anything has to be better than what is there now" is exactly the strategy the developer wants and the lever to do what they like, what I find offensive, even more so than the development, is this painting planning into a corner and ending up with conflict rather than consensus by the sheer passage of time. We have a number of ASSI on the island, perhaps the most abused is the Langness Peninsula, the eastern end of it is a dog toilet ( I am a dog owner so no bias there), the western end is blighted by the ruin of the hotel. Sadly if it weren't for the levels of abuse, the area has the potential to be a superb nature and wildlife site with an ability to attract visitors to our shores but at the moment is blighted by crass stupidity and inaction! 

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8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

I think it's not so much a lack of rooms as a changing accommodation market, with more people looking for AirBnB type stays.  Boutique hotels really only work in big cities or maybe when they are destinations in their own right.  And they need to be able to operate year round - and who wants to stay on the Langness Peninsula in February?

People who like walking? Great coastline, shame about the lack of places to eat but as a base for walking it's not at all bad.

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