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Ooh Betty. Williamson sacked

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19 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

I'm going to resist the go away and shut up jibe, 'cos I'm better than to sink to such levels. He seems determined to prove his innocence though, which may be a bad move should he actually be guilty. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48131091

Back on topic. If he is going to use the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, let us hope he can do so more effectively than Aitken did against Granada Television. It is always possible of course that there could be some fiendish civil servant who did the deed a la Sarah Tisdall in 1983.

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Just now, woody2 said:

:lol:

you should be a comedian..........

she's done everything but.........

She's negotiated a deal with the EU to Leave. 

It's the ERG that's thwarted it. 

Because  QT has to be balanced on issues other than Brexit, and should at least contain members of the two parties that got over 40% each at the last election - it's difficult to achieve a permanent Leaver majority, unless the Tory is always from the ERG, so ...

1 UKIP/Brexit party

1 Tory from ERG 

1 Leaver journalist from the Mail/Telegraph etc

1 Labour

1 Lib/Change UK/Nationalist

but that creates a situation where none of the panel argues from the position of the Government, which is daft. And that's a 65:35 split rather than 52:48 split. 

 

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2 minutes ago, woolley said:

Back on topic. If he is going to use the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, let us hope he can do so more effectively than Aitken did against Granada Television. It is always possible of course that there could be some fiendish civil servant who did the deed a la Sarah Tisdall in 1983.

Yesterday in Parliament:

This wasn’t the Thursday morning Lidington had had in mind. He barely looked up from his notes as he read extracts from the NSC Wikipedia page. “The NSC was formed 10 years ago,” he mumbled, “and it’s generally accepted that its meetings are kept secret.” With that, he sat down. He’d got through his entire opening statement without mentioning Williamson or the leak once.

Watson wasn’t nearly so coy. Either Gavin did it and was banged to rights or he didn’t and had been thrown under a bus by Theresa May. Parliament and Gav deserved to know the truth as there had been a serious breach of the Official Secrets Act. So there needed to be a proper criminal investigation. “Oh no, no, no,” replied a horrified Lidington. That could never happen as the police couldn’t do anything unless the government requested it and the government really didn’t want to waste the police’s time as the secrets hadn’t been terribly secret anyway.

Next up was Michael Fallon. Otherwise known as one of the other disgraced former defence secretaries, along with Liam Fox. He was outraged. It was fair enough to be sacked for a bit of #MeToo sex-pestery or treating your chums to holidays at taxpayers’ expense: but leaking meetings from the NSC was just a step too far. Williamson had let down the elite club of disgraced former defence secretaries.

It was all downhill from there. Lidington did his best, by first suggesting that there were so many better stories that could have been leaked from the NSC so the government should really be congratulated for its confidentiality and then trying to insist that the cabinet had never been more united. As in united in their hatred and mistrust for one another.

But in the end he just gave up. He didn’t really care if Gavin was guilty or not. And neither did the prime minister.....

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@ PK. The always evenhanded Guardian, no doubt. Obviously Labour is going to play party politics with this as they have done all along with Brexit. They don't have a coherent view on anything any more than the Tories have. Even Alan Johnson speaking on R4 yesterday agreed that this is all a storm in a teacup in the wider scheme of things, and that there should be no further action beyond the sacking. It's a different matter for Williamson, of course. If he has been wronged then he has every right to shout it from the rooftops until he is listened too.

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1 hour ago, P.K. said:

Yesterday in Parliament:

This wasn’t the Thursday morning Lidington had had in mind. He barely looked up from his notes as he read extracts from the NSC Wikipedia page. “The NSC was formed 10 years ago,” he mumbled, “and it’s generally accepted that its meetings are kept secret.” With that, he sat down. He’d got through his entire opening statement without mentioning Williamson or the leak once.

Watson wasn’t nearly so coy. Either Gavin did it and was banged to rights or he didn’t and had been thrown under a bus by Theresa May. Parliament and Gav deserved to know the truth as there had been a serious breach of the Official Secrets Act. So there needed to be a proper criminal investigation. “Oh no, no, no,” replied a horrified Lidington. That could never happen as the police couldn’t do anything unless the government requested it and the government really didn’t want to waste the police’s time as the secrets hadn’t been terribly secret anyway.

Next up was Michael Fallon. Otherwise known as one of the other disgraced former defence secretaries, along with Liam Fox. He was outraged. It was fair enough to be sacked for a bit of #MeToo sex-pestery or treating your chums to holidays at taxpayers’ expense: but leaking meetings from the NSC was just a step too far. Williamson had let down the elite club of disgraced former defence secretaries.

It was all downhill from there. Lidington did his best, by first suggesting that there were so many better stories that could have been leaked from the NSC so the government should really be congratulated for its confidentiality and then trying to insist that the cabinet had never been more united. As in united in their hatred and mistrust for one another.

But in the end he just gave up. He didn’t really care if Gavin was guilty or not. And neither did the prime minister.....

cleared........

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28 minutes ago, woolley said:

@ PK. The always evenhanded Guardian, no doubt. Obviously Labour is going to play party politics with this as they have done all along with Brexit. They don't have a coherent view on anything any more than the Tories have. Even Alan Johnson speaking on R4 yesterday agreed that this is all a storm in a teacup in the wider scheme of things, and that there should be no further action beyond the sacking. It's a different matter for Williamson, of course. If he has been wronged then he has every right to shout it from the rooftops until he is listened too.

One of my favourite political commentators John Crace.

If the OSA has been breached, by a Cabinet Minister, then it's serious.

Labour have been in a strange place throughout this shambles. Despite the fact that Brexit can only be driven by the party in power, so you would think no blame would be attached to them, they are tarred with the same brush of tory fractured incompetence.

I didn't mean to derail this thread but QT was rather amusing. With an angry, red-faced woman shouting how we should just leave and 78 year old Father of the House Ken Clarke trying to explain to her how there are some trivial details that have to be agreed first such as International Treaties.....

As a nation we're the laughing stock.

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2 hours ago, Declan said:

She's negotiated a deal with the EU to Leave. 

 

 

surrendered.......

and its doesn't involve leaving....... 

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4 minutes ago, P.K. said:

As a nation we're the laughing stock.

because of the remoaners........

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2 hours ago, Declan said:

Because  QT has to be balanced on issues other than Brexit, and should at least contain members of the two parties that got over 40% each at the last election - it's difficult to achieve a permanent Leaver majority, unless the Tory is always from the ERG, so ...

 

 

it clearly isn't when its 86% red faced old pk's.........

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3 minutes ago, P.K. said:

 As a nation we're the laughing stock.

Because of all of the messing around. We should never have got embroiled in doing it this way. Simply repeal the European Acts and everything flows from there. Article 50 is Lord Kerr's book of rules for how the EU wants to do things. It's like a game of football where you agree upfront that only one side draws up the rules. UK shouldn't have played that game from the start. OK, you can say we signed the treaty. But Europhiles signed the treaty.

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2 hours ago, woolley said:

Back on topic. If he is going to use the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, let us hope he can do so more effectively than Aitken did against Granada Television. It is always possible of course that there could be some fiendish civil servant who did the deed a la Sarah Tisdall in 1983.

 the 11 minute phone call with the torygraph is the reason........ 

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Just now, woody2 said:

 the 11 minute phone call with the torygraph is the reason........ 

I wonder if it was bugged? They aren't going to tell us that are they?

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2 minutes ago, woolley said:

I wonder if it was bugged? They aren't going to tell us that are they?

he handed it in.........

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5 hours ago, mojomonkey said:

Oh dear, repetition yet again, the dementia is kicking in again.

 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it necessarily true or more valid.

4-nil to Fulham

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2 hours ago, woody2 said:

cleared........

Dear me.

He jumped before he was pushed (resigned) due to lots of accusations of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues.

Please prove it beyond doubt by giving it a "#fakenews", thanks.

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