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It is ridiculous encouraging people to cycle when the roads are not cycle friendly most places that have loads of cyclists provide cycle paths for them, our roads have not the width to do this and also, as mentioned, most cycling friendly countries are flat.

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8 hours ago, PmJ said:

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=48426&headline=Plans unveiled to change the culture of driving into work&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2019

’For instance, on the North Quay having people cycle in the opposite way to traffic - spectacular quote from the deluded one. It's bad enough for cyclist going in the same direction as traffic. What could possibly go wrong with his alternative idea FFS

It's delightfully bonkers isn't it?  Apart from ignoring the fact that cyclist will presumably want to cycle both ways along North Quay, they may think that they should not be used as some sort of mobile traffic calming feature.  Actually what is going on here is probably the usual Manx Government habit of discovering something that was fashionable about a decade ago and trying to introduce it just as everyone else realises it was a bad idea all along.

What they seem to be suggesting in their cack-handed way is something known as 'shared space'.  The idea is that you let motorists, pedestrians and cyclists all share the same space without any segregation or direction, and they will all respect each other and drivers will operate carefully. 

The classic trial of this was Exhibition Road in Kensington.  This is the road that leads from South Ken Tube Station up between the Natural History and V&A Museums to Hyde Park.  The shared space scheme was designed and implemented from 2003 and cost about £30 million.  So you can see why it would appeal to the DoI as spending a very long time putting down incredibly expensive paving is one of their core skills.  Having used the road before and after this scheme was put in, it doesn't actually have made much effect as the cars still go down the centre of the road quite fast and the pedestrians walk on what were always pretty spacious pavements.  Except where it crosses the Cromwell Road (where this scheme doesn't apply, and maybe in the morning rush hour,  it's not normally that busy a road in any case.

And it doesn't really seem to work as the traffic still moves fast.  Even if most car and commercial vehicle drivers are considerate, it only takes one to make other road users cautious and the traffic calming effect stops.   Which makes sense if you think about it as 'shared space' describes the way that roads are used in a lot of the Third World and traffic accidents and fatalities are much more frequent there.

Still the sellers of Chinese granite are happy.  Which is what matters.

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Actually the funniest thing about that article comes just after that quote:

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When asked if he actively travels himself, the Peel MHK replied: ’I cycle or walk to work.

It’s small journeys from Tynwald to the Sea Terminal. It’s taking out the one mile instead of thinking "well, I’ll get in the car".’

Now Harmer lives in Peel, so is he donning the lycra and pedalling his way to Douglas?  Is he rising at the crack of dawn to walk it?[1]  It doesn't look like it, despite his claim to "cycle or walk to work".  if you read the following sentence he's talking about a rather lesser journey.  What seems to mean is that he walks from his car to his desk.  As to walking between the Sea Terminal and Tynwald, given that most individuals without designated parking spaces wouldn't dream of driving that in any case[2], it hardly seems as if enormous physical effort is being invested.

[1]  Obviously he's not going to mix with the plebs on one of his Department's own buses.

[2]  I make it only about 0.4 rather than 'one' mile, which suggests that Harmer doesn't walk it that often

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6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Actually the funniest thing about that article comes just after that quote:

Now Harmer lives in Peel, so is he donning the lycra and pedalling his way to Douglas?  Is he rising at the crack of dawn to walk it?[1]  It doesn't look like it, despite his claim to "cycle or walk to work".  if you read the following sentence he's talking about a rather lesser journey.  What seems to mean is that he walks from his car to his desk.  As to walking between the Sea Terminal and Tynwald, given that most individuals without designated parking spaces wouldn't dream of driving that in any case[2], it hardly seems as if enormous physical effort is being invested.

[1]  Obviously he's not going to mix with the plebs on one of his Department's own buses.

[2]  I make it only about 0.4 rather than 'one' mile, which suggests that Harmer doesn't walk it that often

Harmer is a fool MAMIL who just continually makes himself look stupid. Hopefully some idiot cycling the wrong way on N Quay gets clobbered and then sues the DOI for substantial damages for allowing such a stupid and dangerous thing to be put in place in the first place. 

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I don't see what the problem is, if the two way cycle lane would be separated from the road, like a pavement allows two-way traffic. Why are cars allowed on North Quay anyway?

The real cause of the problem is that Manx and British people are too damn rude to share space. There's a simple solution  allow cyclists to ride on pavements. It works in many places in Europe, it just takes a bit of courtesy. 

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12 hours ago, finlo said:

I've seen it on the Lezayre road cycle lane a few times!

That Lezayre Road cycle lane (just outside Ramsey on the Peel road) is the nuttiest thing I have ever seen.  It is a cycle lane on one side of the road only, going into town.  Assuming that Ramsey is not a sort of cyclists graveyard, where they go in and never come out again, those same cyclists have to cycle back out again the same way they came, this time on the opposite side of Lezayre Road where there is no cycle lane.  So the effect of the cycle lane is to force cars away from the cyclists going into Ramsey (good) but into the path of cyclists leaving Ramsey (not so good).  This gives the appearance of really not having been thought through.  Plus Lezayre Road is really too narrow to accommodate both car and cycle lanes.  Are there any cyclists on here who would like to comment?   

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1 hour ago, PmJ said:

https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/tt-funfair-returns/

More madness. With an influx of motorcyclists to add to the local traffic, cyclists banned from a section of the prom whilst the fair is here.

Guessing this means parking is gone then. With the road works on the Prom are the bikers going to be parking on the actual prom walkway and isn't this a bigger danger to the public? 

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I thought the fair was not coming this year.    The promenade will look better than that lot of tat.

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1 hour ago, BallaDoc said:

That Lezayre Road cycle lane (just outside Ramsey on the Peel road) is the nuttiest thing I have ever seen.  It is a cycle lane on one side of the road only, going into town.  Assuming that Ramsey is not a sort of cyclists graveyard, where they go in and never come out again, those same cyclists have to cycle back out again the same way they came, this time on the opposite side of Lezayre Road where there is no cycle lane.  So the effect of the cycle lane is to force cars away from the cyclists going into Ramsey (good) but into the path of cyclists leaving Ramsey (not so good).  This gives the appearance of really not having been thought through.  Plus Lezayre Road is really too narrow to accommodate both car and cycle lanes.  Are there any cyclists on here who would like to comment?   

I've cycled up Lezayre Road both ways enough times to know the cycle lane is a joke - it would force cars over towards cyclists riding out of town if most drivers didn't sensibly ignore the cycle lane when empty.

 

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59 minutes ago, Mole62 said:

it would force cars over towards cyclists riding out of town if most drivers didn't sensibly ignore the cycle lane when empty.

I ignore it when it's occupied too... :lol:

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According to some, the Prom is going to be a non issue for TT as its going to be gridlock with no one going anywhere ! having been there today I would tend to agree !!

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it looks as though they've filled in some of the excavations for the track and tarmacked over it............I suppose they will have to dig it up again.....why oh why don't they put it at the side of the road?

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