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23 hours ago, Gizo said:

It’s been quiet for action on the ‘track’ this week however it’s really hotting up off the ‘track’

Two male Austrians, 54yo and 56yo arrested for contravening the one way on the mountain, one car also having an attempt at it. 

One axe man at Laurel Bank.

Woman crossing closed roads

So more action off the track than on it..you’ve travelled half way across the world and all you’ve seen is 4 laps.

 However, we have drones and men taking group photos at the waterworks on closed roads. The big monster crash is not far away now.

Oh let’s not forget another dead. Another notch on the tally chart, but the brand must carry on at all costs. TT259

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13 minutes ago, Gizo said:

So more action off the track than on it..you’ve travelled half way across the world and all you’ve seen is 4 laps.

 However, we have drones and men taking group photos at the waterworks on closed roads. The big monster crash is not far away now.

Oh let’s not forget another dead. Another notch on the tally chart, but the brand must carry on at all costs. TT259

It’s lining up to be one of the worst TTs ever. Why have the police seemed to retreat onto Twitter asking for information about pictures other people have taken rather than doing anything either? It feels like the whole island has given up. Lazy government workers disappointed that the event doesn’t run itself and that they have to put as much effort into it as all the volunteers going it for nothing. 

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10 hours ago, finlo said:

Will it go ahead tonight, given there's an evening race they can't exactly send all through traffic down Christian street!

Well it did and total gridlock ensued!

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13 minutes ago, finlo said:

Well it did and total gridlock ensued!

However it's all over, done and dusted, Ramsey residents can sleep soundly...

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3 hours ago, MrPB said:

It’s lining up to be one of the worst TTs ever. Why have the police seemed to retreat onto Twitter asking for information about pictures other people have taken rather than doing anything either? It feels like the whole island has given up. Lazy government workers disappointed that the event doesn’t run itself and that they have to put as much effort into it as all the volunteers going it for nothing. 

You have a point, and I think it will get worse not better.

Meanwhile on the Nations Propaganda Mouthpiece we have DJ Dave MLC reminisce of the glory days when he rode in the MGP. He alluded to the fact that racers raced in misty conditions and some far from ideal conditions. A dig at the Clerk of the Course? 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mlc-recalls-misty-practice-laps-during-mgp-career/

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On far slower bikes and at a time when, in some ways, TT Course deaths were somehow more acceptable, leading to races being run in conditions that such running would be unthinkable nowadays.

Too much has changed for Mr Cretney's views to be valid now. He competed first in 1976/77. That was 31/32 years after the end of WW2. Now we're 74 years on from then and 42 or 43 years on from his first riding days.

The mindset of WW1 and then 2 that bred acceptance of casualties and so much more into the British culture has slowly gone, but it took years to do so. Now we feel losses much more and question them, sport or otherwise.

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5 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

On far slower bikes and at a time when, in some ways, TT Course deaths were somehow more acceptable, leading to races being run in conditions that such running would be unthinkable nowadays.

Too much has changed for Mr Cretney's views to be valid now. He competed first in 1976/77. That was 31/32 years after the end of WW2. Now we're 74 years on from then and 42 or 43 years on from his first riding days.

The mindset of WW1 and then 2 that bred acceptance of casualties and so much more into the British culture has slowly gone, but it took years to do so. Now we feel losses much more and question them, sport or otherwise.

Wow, using world wars to justify acceptance of TT deaths is a new one... that's  above and beyond the expected 'but what about Everest?' lines. 

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1 hour ago, On The Bus said:

Wow, using world wars to justify acceptance of TT deaths is a new one... that's  above and beyond the expected 'but what about Everest?' lines. 

imagine if there was a TT to the top of everest?

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5 minutes ago, WTF said:

imagine if there was a TT to the top of everest?

Less climbing deaths as in best IOM tradition the mountain would be shut most of the year.

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It's not just just good ol' Everest though. What about skiing, scuba diving and surfing etc.

Apparently bowls claims the most deaths of any sport.

 

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7 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Too much has changed for Mr Cretney's views to be valid now. He competed first in 1976/77. That was 31/32 years after the end of WW2. Now we're 74 years on from then and 42 or 43 years on from his first riding days.

He’s just a typical Manx when-I these days .. 

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1 hour ago, On The Bus said:

Wow, using world wars to justify acceptance of TT deaths is a new one... that's  above and beyond the expected 'but what about Everest?' lines. 

Think you need to read that again chum, he says the opposite.

The "everest" argument is rather valid this year isn't it? Can you imagine if there were the same number of casualties at a TT? 

 

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2 hours ago, On The Bus said:

Wow, using world wars to justify acceptance of TT deaths is a new one... that's  above and beyond the expected 'but what about Everest?' lines. 

No. What I'm saying is that our times and culture have moved on since David Cretney's biking heydays. Including our outlook as a society.

There was a time when that society was far more conditioned to accepting deaths, huge numbers of deaths as a part of the times. It takes many, many years for such conditioning and strictures to wear off.

When DC was riding, it was at a time that was far closer to such tragic times and events that we are now.

Now we're more than twice as long ago from those times than we were when he was riding and society has moved on in its views. We expect life to be more valued and precious.

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1 hour ago, gettafa said:

It's not just just good ol' Everest though. What about skiing, scuba diving and surfing etc.

Apparently bowls claims the most deaths of any sport.

 

Actually I thought it was golf...... I've lost count of the number of stories I've heard of people (mostly men) dropping dead on a course. Not making it to the 19th must seem a bit cruel to one's mates!

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