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10 minutes ago, gettafa said:

It's ok, you didn't really have that love in the first place.

 

That’s not true. It’s possible to be in love and to fall out of love. In case you hadn’t noticed, it happens all the time.

Things happen, time passes, we change and what was once our heart’s desire no longer interests us. You can’t accuse someone of not loving in the first place. Well, you can, but it’s an arrogant assumption to make. And unkind.  

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Well there's love and there's love.

 

But in all, those that profess their 'love' rarely know or understand what the word means.

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53 minutes ago, gettafa said:

It's ok, you didn't really have that love in the first place.

 

You can say that about lots of things in life. Especially people.

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15 minutes ago, gettafa said:

Well there's love and there's love.

 

But in all, those that profess their 'love' rarely know or understand what the word means.

As the great philosopher you are, you really don't know people at all, do you? I thought your initial comment was a little disingenuous.

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52 minutes ago, gettafa said:

Well there's love and there's love.

 

But in all, those that profess their 'love' rarely know or understand what the word means.

Ah but I suppose you do? Of course :rolleyes:

 

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Obviously, or they wouldn’t have been able to make their statement in the first place. Or maybe now they’ve realised they’ve dropped a bollock and are now trying to change the subject? The gaslighters are out in force today. Must be the sun. 

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3 hours ago, finlo said:

Often?

at nobles ? probably.  lawyers love the place.

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13 hours ago, dilligaf said:

Neil, it wont be the mhks who decide that. Not being funny. Not in their hands.

Oh it is dilli, you just don’t realise it... yet

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4 hours ago, wrighty said:

This is correct.  I see it all the time in my day job.  We warn patients of the risks of surgery, but they never believe it'll happen to them, and if it does we often, after the event, hear "if I'd known it would be like this I'd never have gone ahead with it".

 

4 hours ago, finlo said:

Often?

 

4 hours ago, Neil Down said:

Well doesn’t that just fill me with confidence :wacko:

 

1 hour ago, WTF said:

at nobles ? probably.  lawyers love the place.

Allow me to clarify.

All medical interventions have a risk of unintended complications.  We can often quote rates of specific complications, for example a 1 in 200 risk of infection in a joint replacement.  Patients accept this, we do our best to mitigate the risk, but it can't be eliminated.  So on occasion we all get patients who suffer complications and may end up worse off, in some respects, than they were prior to their intervention.  If that happens, that (small) group of patients will often say that 'had I know it'd be like this I'd never have gone ahead'.

A complication, or a risk, is purely theoretical until it happens to you.  And then it's no consolation that the next 199 joint replacements, on average, won't get an infection.

Linking back to the TT, I heard a figure - not sure how accurate it is - that there is one death per 600 laps.  So riders may know that, but think that it's pretty good odds.  If it does turn out to be them though, the 599 laps with no fatal ending is no consolation to them or their family I suspect.

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^

On the radio yesterday someone came up with the number of laps completed. It's an interesting statistic. A more definite statistic would be the average number of deaths each year and the number of riders competing. I suppose it boils down to the same thing, but aye, they know the risks.

I couldn't climb the apocryphal Mount Everest. Mainly because I don't like being cold- it's -16C today up there, these Isle of Man winters are plenty cold enough for me. And I don't like carrying stuff and I have a jippy back anyway. And I don't think I could do that skydiving thing because I am frightened of the height going up a step ladder.

I don't understand why so many people do these things but they do and they know the risks. It all comes down to the cotton wool scenario. And fucking bowls (which I only played once and got beat severely).

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8 hours ago, RIchard Britten said:

Briefly popping back...

Derek, as some one who has served in the Police, I expected better from you than this (especially your work in accident investigation).

It is not "one" though, is it?  If he had been the first fatality in the "sport" or they happened so infrequently that the event of someone dying were seen as a freak occurrence, I would be more inclined to agree, but people die during the TT like "bloody" clock work.

There is a world of difference between "knowing the risks" and "knowing the risks".

You can read about skydiving until your last days, being aware of all the various ways things can go wrong and how you would in theory you end up splattered all over creation, but that is not the same as hurtling towards the ground at 120+mph screaming and shitting yourself.

The wife might well have idea of what it will be like to be a widow, but the family are going to spend the rest of their lives getting over this tragedy.  I am willing to bet every single spouse who watches their partner disappear off the start line are crossing everything they have saying "please, let them finish alive and whole" but in all the bravdo and excitement before that there is also a lot of "it wont happen to mine".

Know better about what?

I’ve investigated racing fatalities as well as road deaths. Everyone involved in the former knows full well this is the last of the great, gladiatorial challenges, and that the painful field may take them. And there is no doubt that although the event is reaching a sweet spot in terms of machine performance, rider ability and track format, it is safer than it was even a dozen years ago.

It doesn’t mean that the fallen rider is any less loved than another taken from their family, but the circumstances are somewhat different from the generally unforeseen nature of road traffic collisions that result in life changing injuries or death. 

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2 hours ago, wrighty said:

 

 

 

Allow me to clarify.

All medical interventions have a risk of unintended complications.  We can often quote rates of specific complications, for example a 1 in 200 risk of infection in a joint replacement.  Patients accept this, we do our best to mitigate the risk, but it can't be eliminated.  So on occasion we all get patients who suffer complications and may end up worse off, in some respects, than they were prior to their intervention.  If that happens, that (small) group of patients will often say that 'had I know it'd be like this I'd never have gone ahead'.

A complication, or a risk, is purely theoretical until it happens to you.  And then it's no consolation that the next 199 joint replacements, on average, won't get an infection.

Linking back to the TT, I heard a figure - not sure how accurate it is - that there is one death per 600 laps.  So riders may know that, but think that it's pretty good odds.  If it does turn out to be them though, the 599 laps with no fatal ending is no consolation to them or their family I suspect.

The thing is with surgery you are electing to improve a situation, and working in one of the most highly regulated and professional areas there is. There is always the unforeseen of course, but the checks, re-checks, explanations and monitoring all contribute to those risks being minimised. The difference with the TT is they do it because they want to. I didn’t want to have a hip replacement; I had it because it bloody hurt! 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, gettafa said:

 

I don't understand why so many people do these things but they do and they know the risks. It all comes down to the cotton wool scenario. And fucking bowls (which I only played once and got beat severely).

It's Marks & Spencer's door ways that carry the huge risk - every week there's an Ambulance there scooping up another fallen Pensionner.

Has to be at least 1 a month at that death trap.....

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