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Just now, MrPB said:

That’s exactly where it will end up and sooner than you think. The new ships will end up a bit like the fleets of new Mercedes we buy - over specified, overpriced, and bought when cheaper alternatives will be abundant. 

Please point to the abundant cheaper alternatives. One link.

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14 minutes ago, MrPB said:

That’s exactly where it will end up and sooner than you think. The new ships will end up a bit like the fleets of new Mercedes we buy - over specified, overpriced, and bought when cheaper alternatives will be abundant. 

It won't. So long as politicians are not allowed to interfere with the running of the company. 

 

It's important that the Steam Packet continue to maximise their income during TT/MGP/FOM. There probably is a tipping point after which the price level will lead to a drop in demand and if that's ever reached then they'll be aware of that. But otherwise they should continue to milk that market for every single penny. 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, MrPB said:

Is speculation now banned on this forum? If that’s the case then I can’t see much active debate happening. There will be other cheaper alternatives out there it doesn’t need to be backed up by any link to speculate that this is likely the case. Not least they could probably raise the money in the capital markets via a corporate bond rather than buying anything outright and finance it over 25 years out of revenue. 

142 metre boats aren’t available off the shelf.

Has financing method been decided, cast in stone?

Im not stopping speculation. I’m just asking where you think cheaper alternatives are for future proofed emission compliant, boats. There are none up for charter. There are two sisters, Clipper and Canterbury, but they’re spoken for.

You only need to look at the debacle over the two new CalMac boats to see that politicians must not get involved.

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7 minutes ago, MrPB said:

I don’t share your optimism as the MUA, Manx Radio et all have shown us. They can’t keep their hands off these businesses once they have them. 

Indeed, the very premise of your posting is that government should be involved to reduce fares and increase tax payer burden.

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

142 metre boats aren’t available off the shelf.

Has financing method been decided, cast in stone?

Im not stopping speculation. I’m just asking where you think cheaper alternatives are for future proofed emission compliant, boats. There are none up for charter. There are two sisters, Clipper and Canterbury, but they’re spoken for.

You only need to look at the debacle over the two new CalMac boats to see that politicians must not get involved.

we will have a harbour big enough to take the titanic in a few years so finding little boats won't be a factor.   with all the money getting pissed away a  bridge/tunnel  from point of ayre to borough head would be cheaper in the long run.

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34 minutes ago, WTF said:

we will have a harbour big enough to take the titanic in a few years so finding little boats won't be a factor.   with all the money getting pissed away a  bridge/tunnel  from point of ayre to borough head would be cheaper in the long run.

The 142 metre limit is Heysham and the new Liverpool terminal

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43 minutes ago, MrPB said:

No I just said that the high fares are counter intuitive and a disincentive to growing our visitor economy and will certainly be putting off some tourists. On buying boats it seems clear from what’s been in the press that they seem to be lining up to buy outright. Same as they’ve done with multi million pound bus orders. I think if we’re not very careful this will just end up as Ship Vannin. 

And I’ve pointed out fares are cheaper now for at least 46 weeks of the year than they were 40 years ago.

Ive no data to compare TT and MGP fares then and now.

Its a capacity issue. Today’s Steam Packet is mean and lean on boats.

We have one that does 1350-1400 sailings a year and another does 800.

in 1977 we had two that each did less than 600 a year and 4 that did 100-150 each a year. 

So more sailings now, but no extra capacity at TT MGP

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2 hours ago, MrPB said:

I don’t share your optimism as the MUA, Manx Radio et all have shown us. They can’t keep their hands off these businesses once they have them. 

This is very true

Tynwald members cannot stop themselves from micro-managing anything they come into contact with

One answer would be to merge with similar operations on Jersey & Guernsey, & have them managed by professionals

Alternatively, they could become customer facing & actually act - within reason - upon the wishes of the new owners, the taxpayer (this is a complete anathema to #ClubTynwald members, who believe they'be been elected by the plebs to become minor deities)

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23 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

This is very true

Tynwald members cannot stop themselves from micro-managing anything they come into contact with

One answer would be to merge with similar operations on Jersey & Guernsey, & have them managed by professionals

Alternatively, they could become customer facing & actually act - within reason - upon the wishes of the new owners, the taxpayer (this is a complete anathema to #ClubTynwald members, who believe they'be been elected by the plebs to become minor deities)

Not sure we would want to go back to management by McQuarrie, or that we’d fit with the plans of Condors putative new owners, Brittany Ferries.

Unfortunately what the travelling public want, modern, fast, frequent, reliable, dirt cheap, is at direct polar opposites to what the tax payer wants when it comes to cost and public expense. 

Well we could always go the CalMac route and subsidise fares by 60% out of taxation.

I think, on the whole, Steam Packet is well managed by professionals and is customer facing. Perhaps it’s customer expectations that are unrealistic.

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Are there a large number of customers with unrealistic expectations though? There was a letter in the Indy Thursday last from a FOM/MGP visitor who appeared to have been quoted a horrendous price for sea passage for he and his bike. To the extent that he hasn't visited this year.

SP fares cost is a continual point of ire for visitors, motorcyclist and non-motorcyclist alike. All these people surely can't be wrong? And if it's damaging our visitor economy...?

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Maybe the TT prices are so high because the IOMSPC is buying carbon offset for it all

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14 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

Maybe the TT prices are so high because the IOMSPC is buying carbon offset for it all

Great bit of sarcasm. But just wait until the environmental lobby start going to town on all the promises being made by Tynwald on meeting carbon neutral targets. We’ll be back to running a fleet of schooners in no time at all in order to reach our completely stupid and unnecessary commitments in relation to zero emissions. Liverpool in two days if there’s a good wind and a steady sail and a horse tram network to get you to the pier in a zero emissions way. Longworth would bloody love it. We’d have a complete heritage Isle like an Amish village totally detached from the real world.  

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There's no point owning the ferry (Which we should've done years ago) and then charging the same prices as the SPCO did. That's what killed us in the first place.

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