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Supporting Looney's who pay tax and employ people Dilli, certainly not the tat sellers from over the water.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

You are wrong about the IOC and the description Olympics. It’s given world wide protection, like Red Cross, or red crescent and a number of other international organisation names, through treaties ( in the case of Red Cross it’s a Treaty, Geneva Convention, and a country by country legislative act or decree ).

Each country has to have  legislation protecting the name and limiting usage to IOC and the national Olympic committee. It’s a condition of being allowed to join IOC and send competitors. That’s the name, not just the Olympic Rings.

So, when the first Gay Olympics was organised in USA in 1982, the IOC and US Olympic Committee issued proceedings. It became the Gay Games. Every four years. Next one in Hong Kong. One after that has Liverpool and Brighton competing to host.

There has been some controversy about Special Olympics, but that seems resolved.

But you’re right. For TT it’s not the event, but a logo, and connection with IoM motorsport. That’s why the chippy in Blackpool May be in trouble. Look at the font.

The trademark is registered in the European Trademark Registry. There’s a recognition process between Euro and USA trademarks. Something that will go after Brexit for UK and IoM.

UK has the world's oldest registry doesn't it? Much older than either EU or USA. So I can't see there being issues post Brexit.

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

You are wrong about the IOC and the description Olympics. It’s given world wide protection, like Red Cross, or red crescent and a number of other international organisation names, through treaties ( in the case of Red Cross it’s a Treaty, Geneva Convention, and a country by country legislative act or decree ).

Each country has to have  legislation protecting the name and limiting usage to IOC and the national Olympic committee. It’s a condition of being allowed to join IOC and send competitors. That’s the name, not just the Olympic Rings.

So, when the first Gay Olympics was organised in USA in 1982, the IOC and US Olympic Committee issued proceedings. It became the Gay Games. Every four years. Next one in Hong Kong. One after that has Liverpool and Brighton competing to host.

There has been some controversy about Special Olympics, but that seems resolved.

But you’re right. For TT it’s not the event, but a logo, and connection with IoM motorsport. That’s why the chippy in Blackpool May be in trouble. Look at the font.

The trademark is registered in the European Trademark Registry. There’s a recognition process between Euro and USA trademarks. Something that will go after Brexit for UK and IoM.

Mr Wright, please stop filling these forums with facts

 

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37 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

UK has the world's oldest registry doesn't it? Much older than either EU or USA. So I can't see there being issues post Brexit.

Yes, and No.

You start off registering in U.K., or European Trade Mark Registry, or more commonly, both.

EU Registry is the member of WIPO ( World Intellectual Property Organisation ) under Berne Convention. That has 104 members including USA. So you can enforce TT via WIPO.

UK will have to rejoin WIPO in its own right. The others may not agree.

Isn't one of the issues at present the consideration of taking action against an alleged infringer in the States. Brexit will remove, at least temporarily, the EU Registry,  WIPO/Berne Convention, route into the States.

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24 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Yes, and No.

You start off registering in U.K., or European Trade Mark Registry, or more commonly, both.

EU Registry is the member of WIPO ( World Intellectual Property Organisation ) under Berne Convention. That has 104 members including USA. So you can enforce TT via WIPO.

UK will have to rejoin WIPO in its own right. The others may not agree.

Isn't one of the issues at present the consideration of taking action against an alleged infringer in the States. Brexit will remove, at least temporarily, the EU Registry,  WIPO/Berne Convention, route into the States.

I don't think JLR got very far with the blatant Chinese knock offs!

Eta it would seem they have ad a bit more success recently.

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

For TT it’s not the event, but a logo, and connection with IoM motorsport. That’s why the chippy in Blackpool May be in trouble. Look at the font.

I'm not sure that's completely right, John.  If you look at the list of trademarks the Department of Enterprise has registered[1], it does indeed include a record for the TT trademarks, but there is also one for the 'word' TT, covering the same whole range of objects and services[2].  So it's not just the logo with its slanted letters that it is for.

That said among the numerous categories of branded tat included, I can't see fish and chips mentioned, so the place in Blackpool may be safe - and may in any case be able to plead pre-existing use as Bushy's did.

Incidentally they also added 'Audio broadcasting' etc for the 'words' trademark in December 2017, so the commercial geniuses of DfE were clearly looking to become media moguls back then.

 

[1]  At some time in the past someone clearly made a pig's ear of the whole registration process as there are numerous 'ghost' owner records for the DfE before someone has managed to consolidate all the trademarks under one owner.

[2]  Though many with the proviso "none of the aforesaid relating to motor-car racing or to motor-car sport", presumably to avoid stepping on Audi's toes.

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6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

I can't see fish and chips mentioned, so the place in Blackpool may be safe - and may in any case be able to plead pre-existing use as Bushy's did.

It was tongue in cheek, Roger.

The name change is recent. Last summer, I think. But the slanted TT is clearly a knock off.

Must register TT Law.

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1 hour ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

Sicily

Had a few of these local beers when I was in Sicily last year

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Surprised they haven't trademarked the map of the TT Course.

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"... But it was not without the greatest difficulty that he secured permission" (to use the logo). 

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Curtailing the activities of opportunist ,fly by night, non tax, non rate paying,  rogue traders who appear around  TT is one thing , but to focus further afield ,even if it is possible ,would be pointless and serve only to reduce the exposure of  the TT

We are not  competing in the fish and chip business  against “TT Fish and Chips” in Blackpool or against “TT  car tow bars “ in Warwickshire any more  than the Houses of Parliament are in  the HP brown sauce  industry.

If businesses  (who are not providing competing products or services)  use a similar  “ TT”, It could be argued   that the closer it resembles the recognised logo the better as it  provides more  widespread   “brand  recognition  and reinforcement”  

 - for free.

 

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