hissingsid 3,297 Posted June 9, 2019 I know people living in Lakeside who did not vote in the last election because they did not agree with the carve up of Onchan. How can you pay your rates to Onchan Commissioners and yet live in another constituency? Only in the Isle of Man when overpaid, underworked civil servants are constantly looking for ways to justify their existence and of course another committee for the MHKs to sit on and get allowances for. It is ridiculous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Max Power 5,621 Posted June 9, 2019 Onchan is two things, like several places, a parish with its own commissioners and a constituency for the purpose of Tynwald. The two are different to allow constituencies to have proportional populations. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hissingsid 3,297 Posted June 9, 2019 I know that was the intention Max but in general people like their MHKs to be local and people they know, especially when they have issues around the place they live in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Max Power 5,621 Posted June 9, 2019 I can understand that, I was just mentioning it for those who may not have known. In some ways it can work in their favour, if Onchan has an issue they have an additional MHK to call upon? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rushen Spy 1,141 Posted June 9, 2019 It's a very obvious case of gerrymandering and should be fixed as a matter of urgency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rushen Spy 1,141 Posted June 9, 2019 54 minutes ago, Max Power said: The two are different The two should not be different. It is blatant manipulation. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Hedgehog 623 Posted June 9, 2019 Seems like a decent arrangement to me. All the benefits of living in Onchan without having Onchan's MHKs. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rushen Spy 1,141 Posted June 9, 2019 32 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Seems like a decent arrangement to me. All the benefits of living in Onchan without having Onchan's MHKs. They might have different MHKs if they were allowed to vote for their own MHK instead of the MHK of somebody else's parish. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 4,109 Posted June 9, 2019 54 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Seems like a decent arrangement to me. All the benefits of living in Onchan without having Onchan's MHKs. What benefits would that be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rushen Spy 1,141 Posted June 9, 2019 You know sh-t is about to get real when Roger Mexico is in the "recently browsing" section....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Mexico 7,318 Posted June 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Rushen Spy said: It's a very obvious case of gerrymandering and should be fixed as a matter of urgency. I suppose I'd better reply then . No it isn't gerrymandering. That's not what gerrymandering means (if you actually read the Wiki entry). There's no evidence that Onchan was split to benefit any particular Party or politician and no one has given any. What actually happens here is a fairly common clash between two principles of democratic representation. One is that constituencies and therefore representatives should try to represent distinct geographical communities. The other is that there should be roughly equal representation - that the same number of representatives should represent the same number of people[1]. The trouble is that all communities are not the same size. So small communities can be grouped together to one constituency or a large community split into several. But even then you will have problems and if you look UK constituencies you will find they are often made up of different parts of several local authorities or maybe all on one LA and a bit of another to make up the numbers. [1] Note that in the Isle of Man in the most recent boundary review the population (as in the US or Ireland) rather than the number of registered voters (as in the UK) was used to calculate this. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Declan 6,521 Posted June 9, 2019 I don't really see the problem. Everybody on the Island is represented by two mhks and each constituency has roughly the same number of voters. That's fair. 5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rushen Spy 1,141 Posted June 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: I suppose I'd better reply then . No it isn't gerrymandering. That's not what gerrymandering means (if you actually read the Wiki entry). There's no evidence that Onchan was split to benefit any particular Party or politician and no one has given any. Of course there's no "evidence" for it that anybody could ever cite. There never really is for this sort of thing, though, is there? And why on earth would there be? Nonetheless, I stand by my comment: it is blatant gerrymandering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rushen Spy 1,141 Posted June 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Declan said: I don't really see the problem. Oh, well that's it then. It can't be a problem, because "Declan" on Manx Forums can't see it. Case closed. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Believer 10,864 Posted June 9, 2019 Does Onchan have any Dame Shirley Porters...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
