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16 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

It was mentioned on here earlier about the "cycle lanes" but I have noticed when cycling along Peel Road, vehicles get as close to the demarcation line as possible whereas on the open road they give you a lot more space. One or two numpties still about but I'm finding a big improvement in cycle awareness. 

Come and ride in the one in Ramsey, you can have as much space as you want - you'll be the only fecker that ever uses it :lol:

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2 hours ago, MrPB said:

Are you ok? You really do sound incandescent with rage of late. People pay taxes to be allowed to use public roads and have to display a disk showing that they have paid the appropriate government levy. Thanks. 

It's a vehicle tax not road tax... Pedestrians, cyclists and horses are exempt no vehicle tax, they can still use the roads without displaying a disk, thanks.

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1 minute ago, MrPB said:

I think everyone knows what it actually is. Save for the main argumentative poster in this (and every other) thread who seems to just like being pedantic as a tactic to try to wind up and troll other posters. Call it road tax, call it a vehicle tax, call it VED it does not really matter what term of phrase you use. Everyone knows it’s the tax you pay to be allowed to use your car or van on the road. So arguing the toss around pathetic semantics just makes you look like a complete tit really. You have to buy a tax disc to be allowed to legally use a vehicle on a public road. 

The only one looking like a knob jockey on here is you sunshine. Let it go, nobody is interested in your circular argument. Read the Duck's last post and see if it sinks in. (at this point I have serious doubts you understand anything)

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Like how pb still calls it a road tax but admits that you buy a tax disc for a VEHICLE. 

He probably thinks that all the ‘road tax’ collected gets spent on roads exclusively. 

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Got my renewal through in the post a few days ago. They call it a vehicle licence application form. No reference to road tax anywhere on the form, but does refer to the vehicle duty being based on CO2 emission.

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4 minutes ago, Gizo said:

Like how pb still calls it a road tax but admits that you buy a tax disc for a VEHICLE. 

He probably thinks that all the ‘road tax’ collected gets spent on roads exclusively. 

Exactly Gizo. He argues the term of phrase isn't important but it is. The common misunderstanding remains that it pays for roads which of course it doesn't. they are paid for out of general taxation which means that very tax payer regardless of whether they use the roads pays for them.

 

I've also been on the Govt web site. I can find lots of references to Vehicle Tax but none for Road Tax. Happy to be corrected by PB

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5 hours ago, MrPB said:

The insurance and road tax argument is one worthy of debating though. 

No it isn't, aside from amongst the stupid. Every time the issues come up the only sensible conclusion for those of rational mind is that introducing  mandatory licensing or insurance for cyclists would be a very silly idea indeed. Those who advocate same are really just calling themselves out as fools (and sometimes as potentially dangerous road users). If you can come up with a new, credible argument that overturns that conclusion, great, I'm listening. However so far all we've heard here is the hard-of-thinking rolling out the same old tired, discredited arguments yet again.

http://ipayroadtax.com/

http://ipayroadtax.com/licensed-to-cycle/licensed-to-cycle/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2019/mar/18/should-cyclists-be-licensed-and-insured-robert-winston

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/08/killer-cyclists-roads-bikes-pedestrian-collision-deaths-britain

https://cyclingfallacies.com/en/

https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/what-are-cycling-uks-views-regulating-cyclists-behaviour

are just some of the sites / articles which will help dispel anything you are likely to argue. There are many more.

 

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3 minutes ago, MrPB said:

I’m sorry that you don’t understand what common usage or common parlance actually is in favor of trolling like Neil Down.

Also read the Wiki link above 

“In the 2015 [UK] budget the government announced that from 2020 the revenue would be ring-fenced for expenditure on the strategic road network.” 

So all of the VED collected will be spent in the UK road network from next year. 

You said in a post above that the IOMG refer to it as Road Tax. Now you are pulling quotes off a Wikipedia  page that doesn't even have one single reference to the Isle of Man on it. Your reference regarding the future of VED is interesting but doesn't represent the current position which has been the case since the mid 1930's.

I'm not trolling I'm just being factual. Sorry if that is an issue for you.

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1 hour ago, MrPB said:

I think everyone knows what it actually is. Save for the main argumentative poster in this (and every other) thread who seems to just like being pedantic as a tactic to try to wind up and troll other posters. Call it road tax, call it a vehicle tax, call it VED it does not really matter what term of phrase you use. Everyone knows it’s the tax you pay to be allowed to use your car or van on the road. So arguing the toss around pathetic semantics just makes you look like a complete tit really. You have to buy a tax disc to be allowed to legally use a vehicle on a public road. Everyone gets that and even IOMG refers to “road tax” on its website so maybe Neil could pick up the phone and pointlessly argue with them instead? 

As stated earlier it does matter what you call it from a sake of perception and as stated earlier not all road users have to display a disk

Highlighted  is the statement you made which you are choosing to ignore. The IOMG page refers to it as vehicle tax. You made the statement but now don't appear to be able to back it up. If you shot from the hip just man up and say you made a mistake without this needless obfuscation about trolling.

Again as I said in an earlier post if you are correct I am happy to accept that. i don't find apologising when I am wrong such a difficult thing to do  

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2 minutes ago, MrPB said:

You don't seem to understand English and seem to be incredibly angry for some inexplicable reason. I don't engage with trolls sadly. Common usage is a very accepted concept in English as upsetting as that may seem for your general pedantic forum trolling ;)

I take it from this reply that you can't back up your IOMG statement. No matter. Love and peace man.

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24 minutes ago, MrPB said:

This is an English language site isn’t it? I’m sure therefore that 90% of the people here or more are aware of what common usage or common parlance relates to. Those who aren’t incredibly angry and pointlessly trolling that is. It’s not a difficult concept to grasp. People often use generic phrases for things that are generally understood by other (non pedantic, non trolling) people who speak the same language. 

90% of who? There are only about 5 of us still engaging with you (purely out of morbid curiosity) and none of them agree with you. 

Once you get to high school, you had better work harder at maths. It'll reap dividends for you

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1 hour ago, MrPB said:

I think everyone knows what it actually is. Save for the main argumentative poster in this (and every other) thread who seems to just like being pedantic as a tactic to try to wind up and troll other posters. Call it road tax, call it a vehicle tax, call it VED it does not really matter what term of phrase you use. Everyone knows it’s the tax you pay to be allowed to use your car or van on the road. So arguing the toss around pathetic semantics just makes you look like a complete tit really. You have to buy a tax disc to be allowed to legally use a vehicle on a public road. Everyone gets that and even IOMG refers to “road tax” on its website so maybe Neil could pick up the phone and pointlessly argue with them instead? 

Just got off the phone to IOMG

Me: Could you please advise what Road Tax is?

IOMG: Sweet Christ on a cracker, we just had a call from a simpleton calling himself MrPB

Me: It was he who advised me to call you

IOMG: He's a fruitcake who should be at school instead of annoying the grown ups

Me: Thanks, sorry for bothering you

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Here’s an idea PB, from now on call it vehicle tax, vehicle excise duty or vehicle license. Not road tax. As with a lot of things in life you learn something new everyday. 

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It's because they're bald they don't go out! They stay on here arguing with anyone!

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