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It's just all not the way it used to be...

 

 

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15 hours ago, Hillside said:

It’s an A319 and also all business class configuration. Can you see the IOM providing 50 premium passengers every day Mon-Fri?

Close....it's actually a 318. That is currently the largest type of aircraft that can use LCY.

 

Regarding the development of the airport, having a runway that allows for landings in all bar the poorest visibilities surely has to be the main priority. Far too often hospital appointments are missed, holidays ruined and other important travel plans are thwarted because of lack of systems to allow the aircraft to land in visibilities they and their crews are certified to do.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

It's just all not the way it used to be...

 

 

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Not a patch on Cambrian and their Viscount aircraft!  

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35 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said:

Close....it's actually a 318. That is currently the largest type of aircraft that can use LCY.

 

Regarding the development of the airport, having a runway that allows for landings in all bar the poorest visibilities surely has to be the main priority. Far too often hospital appointments are missed, holidays ruined and other important travel plans are thwarted because of lack of systems to allow the aircraft to land in visibilities they and their crews are certified to do.

 

 

Of course extending the runway and removing the 26 approach lighting gantry made things worse didn't it ? but they never asked those who knew, just those whose desire for heathrow on sea continued unabated !

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and the rich get richer and the poor gets poorer..............ain't it all a bloody shame!

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17 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

As Nellie has pointed out, it would have to be empty and running on vapour to takeoff from Ronaldsway. And that was in the days before RESA!

Not the 757.theyve been in here on charter

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4 hours ago, gettafa said:

If only Isle of Man Government employed people who knew what they were doing rather than people who just tell them they know what they are doing.

 

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They aren’t “losses”! The thing is, you can’t run this airport as a commercial entity. It is an essential component of an island - especially one that struts around trying to be something it isn’t. It’s a must-have,and Govt need to get over this. 

It needs to have decent nav. aids, with equipment to allow reasonable minima. Acceptable ATC and fire cover, decent baggage handling and PROPORTIONATE security. 

On top of that, the bogs need to be clean, and staff should be programmed to help, every step of the way. Then, the last memory a visitor has of the place is that it was pretty decent, and maybe a little bit above what you might expect from an airfield on a small rock.

There are a few other opportunities that could be exploited; the landslide ‘cafe’ could be turned into a destination restaurant which could service both the airport users and would attract others too. But the introduction of parking charges for shortish stays put paid to that as an option. It would potentially gee the place up in the same way Costa did for the sea terminal. 

A sense of reality is desperately needed.

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44 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

It needs to have decent nav. aids, with equipment to allow reasonable minima.

Has it ever been publicly discosed whether CAT II ops would be definitively possible at Ronaldsway and if so what the cost would be? @madmanxpilot ?

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There's a contributor to the article on iomtoday who says Ann Reynolds runs a good airport when she's allowed to....

 

 

 

 

Thanks Ann

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2 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

There's a contributor to the article on iomtoday who says Ann Reynolds runs a good airport when she's allowed to....

 

 

 

 

Thanks Ann

Not what the Germans thought !!

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I always prefer to look at the figures first. Unlike some who think just trilling "Privatise! Privatise!" like some demented Thatcherite is going to somehow solve all the ills at Reynoldsway.

Of course, the best first step they could take to improve the pax experience would be to remove that fucking awful noisy stupid "Budgie the Helicopter" ride before I take an axe to it and do everyone a favour....

The "nobody knows" bit is the worry.

It begs the question "Why not...?"

Because you can't run a business without knowing your numbers.

Unless, of course, you want to deliberately shroud them with the time-honoured Tynwald "Get out of jail free" card jokingly crafted as "Commercial Confidentiality".....

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1 minute ago, P.K. said:

I always prefer to look at the figures first. Unlike some who think just trilling "Privatise! Privatise!" like some demented Thatcherite is going to somehow solve all the ills at Reynoldsway.

Of course the point about the Airport is that it has already undergone significant privatisation[1] and as numerous threads on MF will attest, the public aren't always impressed with the results with regard to say security.  What is also clear from the report is that trying to fix things costs a lot more:

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3.14 Our attention was drawn to the fact that from 29th January 2018, the Ports Division is increasing its payments to the Airport security contractor to xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx in order to cover existing requirements, increase the salaries of those employed, add a 20-hours per week admin post, and 3 quality assurance duty manager posts (i.e. one person per shift). From the end of July 2018 when the second channel is opened permanently, the Division expects to pay a further xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. This will materially worsen the financial position in 2018/9 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx unless there is a significant upturn in traffic growth. These increases will take full year effect from 2018/19 and we have taken them into account in the financial projections in Section 8

Replacing manual workers in government jobs with low paid, zero hours jobs is always going to 'save' money on paper, but once things go wrong it can end up costing more than you 'save' and you may still get a worse service.  You also lose the potential flexibility in working practices that a small Airport should be encouraging, but that has rarely been done because Manx civil servant management has been too averse to even potential confrontation and loss of its own privileges.

 

[1]  Of course it does have the wonderful side-effect that it reduces the total number of government employees which enables the totals to be made up by employing more civil servants elsewhere.  So replace lowly paid manual workers with £50k bullshitters elsewhere and Chris Thomas can still proclaim that the totals haven't risen (except when they have).

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5 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

 

There are a few other opportunities that could be exploited; the landslide ‘cafe’ could be turned into a destination restaurant which could service both the airport users and would attract others too. But the introduction of parking charges for shortish stays put paid to that as an option. It would potentially gee the place up in the same way Costa did for the sea terminal. 

 

A sense of reality is desperately needed.

You mean like how everyone used to go to the cafe there for an afternoon out in 1973? They didn’t really have to think about not being commercial then. Probably because they didn’t employ 25 managers looking for things to be responsible for. Just one bloke who knew how to run a business and get people through the door. 

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For a small airport, back of nowhere, with 95% domestic, extremely short, flights, Ronaldsway is pretty good, staff and facilities wise. Much better, really, than Gatwick, Liverpool, or Manchester, two privately and the third publicly owned, but run at arms length.

the fact is it’s a struggle to generate the income to break even with number of passengers and footfall through cafes, bars, shops.

We grumble about Spanish practices, and overpayment/overstaffing, on the one hand, but scream for more staff, and longer hours, when security takes more than 30 seconds and if there’s a delay in getting bags from plane onto belt because the staff they have are concentrating on getting three planes out at the same time to avoid the 10pm cut off.

At the level of losses it seems each passenger is subsidised by the tax payer to the tune of £25-30 at Ronaldsway.

Cant have it both ways.

I experienced Gatwick for 40 hours last week, after an EZY cancellation and enforced stop over. It’s bad, overstaffed by zero hours contract workers all desperately trying to look busy but actually doing nothing. But it makes money because of location and passenger numbers.

Security, passenger assistance, check in, all contracted out, useless.

All jobsworths.

Arrived LGW ex BCN at 16.00 on 3/7. Due to fly to IoM at 19.15. Had to check in, drop bag, and get wheelchair labelled. You can’t do that through the auto bag drop. Took 4 of DHL EasyJet ground handlers to do that. 20 minutes.

Passed through security, shambles. Got to assistance desk. 6 people behind desk, but only one dealing with passengers. Rest of them gossiping.given a dongle with buzzer facility to recall me for boarding. Went off after 10 mins as they’d mis programmed my flight details. Returned, reissued. Told flight delay of 45 minutes. Checked my app, saw it was 90 mins late departing Bari. Knew that meant possibility of cancellation.

19.30 escorted to gate. I questioned this as a 20.45 departure LGW-IoM can’t fly, deplane, load, and take off before 22.00 cut off.

At gate, at 20.15 announcement that flight was cancelled. Told I couldn’t just follow ambulant passengers, had to be escorted to domestic baggage hall where bags would arrive.

40 minutes later, no bags. No ambulant passengers, either. Escort phoned her line manager. Told to exit and report to landside assistance desk. There her manager tore her off a strip, in full view/hearing, told her she’d caused a security breach.

Bags were apparently in international baggage hall. Manager called Border Agency who insisted on my passport, due to regulations. Asked which regulations they hadn’t a clue. I’d crossed no border. I’d started in a CTA country, going to a CTA destination, had never left and was still in CTA. I gave up.

EZY had washed their hands of us. Not their fault. All down to there being no ATC available IoM post 22.00. No hotel offered. Flights on 5/7 had seats. I transferred on line. I booked Sofitel for 2 nights using my Accor loyalty points.

I was then accompanied through security into international baggage hall. Chair was swabbed and showed a false positive for explosives. Took 20 mins to do extensive swab and search of me and chair. Got my bag. Wasn’t allowed to exit as the other wheelchair user on the flight, 95, they’d lost her bag. We couldn’t exit through customs unaccompanied. Had to wait until her bag appeared. It didn’t. After 15 mins I excused myself to the WC, didn’t return, sealed out through the green channel. Bed at 22.30.

On 5/7 I was on the 08.05. Checked in bag and chair at 06.00. Again DHL service agents/ground handling for EZY took two and a supervisor to do what one person does at Ronaldsway.

As plane was no attached to airbridge I was escorted to gate 54C to be put in a mini bus. There were 10 of the sub contracted assistance staff at gate, chatting. Only one helping. He refused to help me fold my wheelchair, disconnect and remove batteries, ready for flight. Not his job, or that of anyone else, apparently.

Manchester never provide the ambulift for  flybe flights. They have them, but not for a turboprop. That’s the back up airport for our patient transfers.

My Message? Be careful what you wish for

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That is a sad story John. Welcome to the world of international air travel? Security precautions imposed mainly because some of the world's religions can't tolerate others.

The world economy and shareholders now demand that staff should be employed at the cheapest possible rates and minimal conditions.

But much of this could be managed with properly managed and targeted resources?

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