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8 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

How many policies are signed off without Tynwald debate and consent? In other words why are the people creating these policies unaccountable? Policy should be set by Tynwald on the advice of COMIN and the executive.

Hospital policies have nothing to do with Tynwald in terms of seeing them up and implementation. That would be unrealistic and they do not have the expertise. 

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Only at NoBalls Hospital eh?

The addition or a comma after Hurley, would make that read better. Just saying, not criticising.

Because I’m too old and wouldn’t effectively contribute to turning Tynwald into a modern, forward looking 21st Century Parliament. And by trotting out the tired and irrelevant ‘Why don’t you stan

21 hours ago, Uhtred said:

The Tynwald of today is a supine, spineless, featureless adjunct to government, devoid of passion, challenge or vibrancy. Perhaps this is unsurprising when one assesses just how many colourless and dull makeweights occupy the seats. 

If you tgink so, why not stand in the elections?

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2 hours ago, Patient centred said:

Hospital policies have nothing to do with Tynwald in terms of seeing them up and implementation. That would be unrealistic and they do not have the expertise. 

With respect and by what I'm reading on here we obviously can't trust the professionals either.

And I regard the last sentence as typical of the way that the medical profession view the main stakeholder, the patient. A little humility wouldn't go amiss. After all it's the taxpayer that's funded the training and the equipment etc so that they can practice.

 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Grumpy said:

If you tgink so, why not stand in the elections?

Because I’m too old and wouldn’t effectively contribute to turning Tynwald into a modern, forward looking 21st Century Parliament.

And by trotting out the tired and irrelevant ‘Why don’t you stand then’ response you’re letting the current incumbents off the hook. They stood, declared they’d make effective public representatives, and it’s absolutely legitimate for the rest of us to hold them to account, whether we choose to stand or not.

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On 10/10/2019 at 11:25 AM, Uhtred said:

The Tynwald of today is a supine, spineless, featureless adjunct to government, devoid of passion, challenge or vibrancy. Perhaps this is unsurprising when one assesses just how many colourless and dull makeweights occupy the seats. 

Very true

Tynwald has become a dead dog of an organisation

It's vital to our democracy that vibrancy is restored

(Or initiated for the very first time)

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3 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

Very true

Tynwald has become a dead dog of an organisation

It's vital to our democracy that vibrancy is restored

(Or initiated for the very first time)

 Correct Donald. This Tynwald is virtually inert - it’s no more than a rubber stamp for government. Quite appalling really.

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5 hours ago, Uhtred said:

Because I’m too old and wouldn’t effectively contribute to turning Tynwald into a modern, forward looking 21st Century Parliament.

And by trotting out the tired and irrelevant ‘Why don’t you stand then’ response you’re letting the current incumbents off the hook. They stood, declared they’d make effective public representatives, and it’s absolutely legitimate for the rest of us to hold them to account, whether we choose to stand or not.

Not everyone is suited to or has the verbal advocacy skills to make the right contribution in a largely verbal - & such verbals! - environment

In time deliberative democracy will move things forward & remove the political frauds from the system

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6 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

With respect and by what I'm reading on here we obviously can't trust the professionals either.

And I regard the last sentence as typical of the way that the medical profession view the main stakeholder, the patient. A little humility wouldn't go amiss. After all it's the taxpayer that's funded the training and the equipment etc so that they can practice.

 

So we should let the guys at Tynwald come up with the policies such as infection control or management of the diabetic patient prior to theatre? Don’t be stupid. 
 

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On 10/9/2019 at 10:11 PM, thesultanofsheight said:

Ha ha I must be one of the most anti establishment posters on here and I think my extremely negative views on the hospital management have been pretty clear for years. But reading a load of mental old bollocks (that’s already largely been posted on FB by the same attention seeking conspiracy mentalists) is genuinely a bit tedious. 

You misunderstand me Sultan (possibly deliberately).  There are establishments and establishments - defined, as I said by vested interests.  For example, the senior doctors in Noble's/mental health/GP land are an establishment, and act together to protect their vested interests.

I accept that your views about hospital management are clear enough!

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1 hour ago, Patient centred said:

So we should let the guys at Tynwald come up with the policies such as infection control or management of the diabetic patient prior to theatre? Don’t be stupid. 
 

No more stupid than someone copying and pasting a policy.

 

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1 hour ago, Boo Gay'n said:

You misunderstand me Sultan (possibly deliberately).  There are establishments and establishments - defined, as I said by vested interests.  For example, the senior doctors in Noble's/mental health/GP land are an establishment, and act together to protect their vested interests.

I accept that your views about hospital management are clear enough!

I think you will find that there are two very separate group of doctors. Those that are in and run the medical society to their own vested interests and all the others who are trying so hard to blast them apart.  

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2 hours ago, Boo Gay'n said:

You misunderstand me Sultan (possibly deliberately).  There are establishments and establishments - defined, as I said by vested interests.  For example, the senior doctors in Noble's/mental health/GP land are an establishment, and act together to protect their vested interests.

I accept that your views about hospital management are clear enough!

Concerted action by Consultants for Consultants to protect their interests is certainly consistent with what my cardiac Consultant relative (by marriage) regularly reports in the context of large London teaching hospitals.

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13 hours ago, Uhtred said:

Concerted action by Consultants for Consultants to protect their interests is certainly consistent with what my cardiac Consultant relative (by marriage) regularly reports in the context of large London teaching hospitals.

We aren’t a large London Teaching hospital. 

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14 hours ago, Uhtred said:

Concerted action by Consultants for Consultants to protect their interests is certainly consistent with what my cardiac Consultant relative (by marriage) regularly reports in the context of large London teaching hospitals.

As Aneurin Bevan said, you have to stuff their mouths with gold

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