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The Government's propaganda machine has a revealing but very unsurprising interview with the DOI where they admit all they're concerned about is running horse trams - to hell with local businesses and other road users!! 

Maybe they could actually prioritise the bits of Promenade that are important to people - the road, parking and pedestrian crossings, before they think about getting a hobby-time toy tram running! 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/promenade-rail-corridor-priority-for-doi/

 

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what's wrong with posting this story in the MEGAthread?

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Don't quite see the issue. The tram tracks are the most difficult to get done. Once thats all done the rest of the road should be fairly straightforward. Whether they done the sides and left the tram tracks till last it would still need doing. 

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I see our Rob is on the case and asking a couple of questions in Tynwald next week. Heres hoping he asks a follow up about why the red concrete is already starting to crack. 

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54 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

Don't quite see the issue. The tram tracks are the most difficult to get done. Once thats all done the rest of the road should be fairly straightforward. Whether they done the sides and left the tram tracks till last it would still need doing. 

No, the services are and there are many many of them

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8 minutes ago, english zloty said:

No, the services are and there are many many of them

Are they doing them?

 

the dig doesn’t seem deep enough

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3 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Are they doing them?

 

the dig doesn’t seem deep enough

There was a quote from Mr Harmer in the past month that work was being majorly delayed on account of encountering "uncharted services". On a Victorian promenade. Who'd have guessed?

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1 minute ago, Non-Believer said:

There was a quote from Mr Harmer in the past month that work was being majorly delayed on account of encountering "uncharted services". On a Victorian promenade. Who'd have guessed?

When they re-did Bowrig Road, they went down about eight feet. 

The prom is looking like a skim and re-surface job in comparison 

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3 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

When they re-did Bowrig Road, they went down about eight feet. 

The prom is looking like a skim and re-surface job in comparison 

Agreed and it's strange. When the redevelopment was first proposed (and the sky was going to cave in if it wasn't done?) it was at least partly on account of the promenade foundations having been undermined/washed out by tidal action. So they'd need to go deep to rectify that. As you say, they aren't. Yet, anyway?

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2 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

The Government's propaganda machine has a revealing but very unsurprising interview with the DOI where they admit all they're concerned about is running horse trams - to hell with local businesses and other road users!! 

Maybe they could actually prioritise the bits of Promenade that are important to people - the road, parking and pedestrian crossings, before they think about getting a hobby-time toy tram running! 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/promenade-rail-corridor-priority-for-doi/

They honestly couldn’t care less about anyones livelihood or anything else. Re installing the mega loss making horse trams so that they can clip clop on for another 100 years of burning our cash for fuck-all benefit to anyone is their entire focus. It’s pathetic. Everyone said this project would be a total clusterfuck from day one. Harmer denied this and said it would be implemented with minimal disruption. Now it’s.clear that complete embarrassingl clusterfucks are all the DOI is qualified to deliver. This whole project has turned into a complete joke much earlier than most people had imagined. 

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40 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Agreed and it's strange. When the redevelopment was first proposed (and the sky was going to cave in if it wasn't done?) it was at least partly on account of the promenade foundations having been undermined/washed out by tidal action. So they'd need to go deep to rectify that. As you say, they aren't. Yet, anyway?

Correct. A former corpy engineer told me yonks and yonks ago that voids exist along part of Loch Prom where former outflows from the guest houses/hotels etc ran to meet up with a dispersal tank (not sure it's the same as the current one though). As good as the Victorian engineers were you can't really compete with nature.

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

Agreed and it's strange. When the redevelopment was first proposed (and the sky was going to cave in if it wasn't done?) it was at least partly on account of the promenade foundations having been undermined/washed out by tidal action. So they'd need to go deep to rectify that. As you say, they aren't. Yet, anyway?

You get the impression that even if the horse trams end up running on some perilous rail bridge suspended 20 feet above the scooped out foundations of the promenade while they excavate down to do the foundations then that would be viewed as mission accomplished for the DOI. They can’t have civil engineering requirements dictating a project of this magnitude. It’s all about the horse trams and what colour cheap crappy paving we can put down and how much we can inconvenience people doing the non important stuff. 

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Bring on the overhead monorail

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Some examples of where you've been inconvenienced? Like it or not the prom is desperately in need of updating. I also want to take my young family on the horse trams when they're old enough to remember it, just like I did as a child. It's one of the things that makes the island unique. Get rid of those things and you just turn in to a piece of the UK in the Irish sea. I've worked with many people over the years who have lived and worked around the world and the majority choose here as their favourite, because of our unique identity. It's good to know that people think that. It's just the usual local minority who pooh pooh everything and are totally blinkered to reality.

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