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DOI Says To Hell With Local Business

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3 minutes ago, WTF said:

they'll deny it of course regardless of its accuracy.

The political lead running away should be a clue

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18 hours ago, NoTail said:

Heard today that the rails all need to be taken up because putting them on concrete is too noisy, cracking the concrete and a very uncomfortable ride. Some kind of rubber has to be put down as a sort of substitute for sleepers. 

 

18 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

I could see that. Since time immemorial rails have had to rest on sleepers and ballast to absorb shock and recover. Concrete does neither without sustaining damage?

Without knowing how the rails have been fixed it's impossible to comment with any knowledge? I imagine that any flexible mounting of the rails would cause movement which in turn would crack the red finished concrete (or whatever material that has been used)? The old surface was tarmacadam which was probably more flexible? It did seem to get constant winter maintenance though. 

I saw some bods looking at cracking of the red finished part but it seemed to be at the outer edges, where vehicles have been running at a sloping angle? I'd think it unlikely that the supporting concrete would have cracked as there seem adequate fixings to spread the load of the trams evenly?

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They were still bolting down the rails and putting concrete between then on Friday so I dont think the base is the issue but instead the wrong type of finish. 

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18 hours ago, NoTail said:

Heard today that the rails all need to be taken up because putting them on concrete is too noisy, cracking the concrete and a very uncomfortable ride. Some kind of rubber has to be put down as a sort of substitute for sleepers. 

If that's a fact why on earth didn't they follow good practice from elsewhere?

It seems that we always try to invent the wheel instead of using proved methods.

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6 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

It is pitiful really that government institutions are losing so much money that they feel private bodies can do the job better

It automatically means they fully accept that their own management is appalling, & anyone else could immediately take it under control & make a bit of cash out of it

That’s not the reason it happens. It happens because it comes out of a different purse. 

This happens all the time. 

Take the Laxey sea wall as an example. For years the commissioners paid for a worker and digger to move the stones, lowering the beach at the eastern end. 

I’ve no idea of the cost but let’s estimate 30 000 for the year. 

The lowering of the beach assisted sea toppover. 

Then come the financial cuts to the commissioners. 

Then comes the notion of a sea wall costing 6.5 milllion pounds. The height of the sea wall will increase by 12 inches. Bugger all use when there are waves of 30 foot or more during the winter. 

But the commissioners don’t pay for this. It comes out of another purse. It saves them 30k a year even though it’s useless. 

This happens all the time and it’s happening with the prom too. 

Money shite. The problem is at source. With administration, with devolvement, with everything. Shite. That’s what it is. 

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Not wanting to labour the point but I would appreciate an actual member of DOI or similar to confirm or deny this rumour that the rails have to be taken up again.

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1 hour ago, NoTail said:

Not wanting to labour the point but I would appreciate an actual member of DOI or similar to confirm or deny this rumour that the rails have to be taken up again.

Paging Rob Callister.... He's asking a couple of questions on the Prom in Tynwald on Tuesday maybe he could follow up with this as a supplementary?

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1 hour ago, doc.fixit said:

If that's a fact why on earth didn't they follow good practice from elsewhere?

Because, as always, the DOI knows better than absolutely everyone else.

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https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/doi-aims-to-make-up-nine-week-delay-to-prom-works/

 

Finally admission from the DOI that their scheme is way behind! We can safely add another third on to their '9-10 weeks' as most problems are understated by them. 

 

"Within budget.." - so far yes, because they haven't yet had to dig up the broken concrete and faulty tracks 

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They can't possibly be 9 - 10 weeks+ behind schedule and still be "within budget". It's a contradiction in terms.

And you can bet that the "contingencies" for money will involve going back to Tynwald cap in hand for another handout. Which Tynwald will/would be unable to refuse or the capital's promenade is left looking like a bombsite. Win win if you're DOI.

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1 hour ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/doi-aims-to-make-up-nine-week-delay-to-prom-works/

 

Finally admission from the DOI that their scheme is way behind! We can safely add another third on to their '9-10 weeks' as most problems are understated by them. 

 

"Within budget.." - so far yes, because they haven't yet had to dig up the broken concrete and faulty tracks 

Now there's a interesting bit that was let slip...." 6 million-odd vehicle movements" (presumably per year) along the prom and it's a main artery. And to think that they were going to introduce shared space!

What planet are these people on?

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4 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Now there's a interesting bit that was let slip...." 6 million-odd vehicle movements" (presumably per year) along the prom and it's a main artery. And to think that they were going to introduce shared space!

What planet are these people on?

And they want to run horse and carts among the 6 million vehicle movements! 

 

You're right to ask... what planet are these people on!! 

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9 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

Just let them get on with it....allexperts at sod all.

Yes, role over and accept another DOI fuck-up-royale in the making! 

How dare we question how the DOI are spending our £25m!

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1 hour ago, hissingsid said:

Just let them get on with it....allexperts at sod all.

Sid, FWIW here's my view: 

Why oh why are they fecking around with fecking tramlines when the fecking elephant of the whole project is seemingly being ignored, ie the utilities? The guy this morning has admitted that the task of dealing with that is the most challenging. The tramlines and associated crap can be dealt with at the end, when all utility problems have been resolved and all costs known. Cart before horse seems the appropriate phrase.

What we need is an infrastructure fit for purpose.

Stop wasting taxpayers money!

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