Dirty Buggane 200 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 A wicked whisper has it that the corporation recycled bales of paper/plastic are recycled into heat at the energy from waste plant so saving on shipping as the price drop for this crap has fell well bellow economically braking even or making a profit. No doubt some Gov shiel will be along to lambaste this unsubstantiated rumor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Down 8,015 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 At least they are producing heat for it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dirty Buggane 200 Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share Posted July 19, 2019 Go to the incinerator an ask them to show you the generating side Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Onchan 4,293 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) It's been going on for some time, it's not just DBC. We either recycle or incinerate, for a population the size of Mann it doesn't and never has, made sense to do both. Last I looked the emissions data from the incinerator have not been posted online for months. And if the latest SUEZ report is correct the incinerator didn't generate any electricity from mid June to July 9th (approx). The only good outcome (if there is one) is that we no longer have landfill. ETA: I've not been able to find any minutes at all of the Richmond Hill Consultative Committee. Edited July 19, 2019 by Andy Onchan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James Hampton 236 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I don’t know any details on what DBC are or are not doing, but they have a very good recycling set up and the commodity prices for the materials they collect are all either higher than ever or consistent (which can be found easily in less than a minute with your favourite search engine), so there is no logic to them paying to have it burned when it can be sold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTeapot 10,385 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 The reason the southern tip (and possibly others, not been for a while) started a cardboard only skip was because it classed as ecofuel at the incinerator at a cheaper rate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James Hampton 236 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 The big DOI bins (civic amenity sites and most other locations) are collected by a private contractor. It is not in the interest of the contractor or central government to divert material from the incinerator as the incinerator contract is structured so that the government has to pay a financial penalty if a specified quantity of material is not received. I have a copy of the contract via FOI if anyone wants to see it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James Hampton 236 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 It is still illogical for us to pay for the incineration of material which is highly valuable, no matter what the EFW contract says. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxdaleliberationfront 595 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 38 minutes ago, James Hampton said: It is still illogical for us to pay for the incineration of material which is highly valuable, no matter what the EFW contract says. No it's not. Its costs more to ship them away and recycle them. Better financially and for the environment if it's incinerated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James Hampton 236 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, foxdaleliberationfront said: No it's not. Its costs more to ship them away and recycle them. Better financially and for the environment if it's incinerated I assume you’re just being trite. Anyone can look up the value of the materials and the transport costs, and confirm for themselves that for the majority of the high value material collected there is no logic paying to burn it. Unfortunately though we have an oversized EFW which government refuse to use logically as a power station they can fuel themselves - as they were advised to do by the people they asked. Material prices for things like PET, HDPE & paper are stable or rising, have been for a long time, most are linked to oil / energy prices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ham_N_Eggs 1,004 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, foxdaleliberationfront said: No it's not. Its costs more to ship them away and recycle them. Better financially and for the environment if it's incinerated It defeats the object of recycling may as well just throw it all in the bin. But then recycling is after the problem has been created. The best thing for the environment is not to use plastics; more to be done with compostable waste (for instance paper is compostable); glass bottles to be reused rather than ground up; and for the incinerator to be used a lot less (low emissions is not no emissions). In other words fix the problem before it occurs not after. Edited July 19, 2019 by Ham_N_Eggs 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Power 6,556 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I believe that recycling on the island is done more to make people believe that we are doing our bit. All those glass bottles are apparently crushed to go into cement to make it non slip but I'm not sure much else is actually used for anything? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 4,876 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Are we still chucking £4,000 of diesel in the incinerator per day due to lack of genuine waste? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ham_N_Eggs 1,004 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, finlo said: Are we still chucking £4,000 of diesel in the incinerator per day due to lack of genuine waste? They're not "chucking" diesel they're "recycling" it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxdaleliberationfront 595 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, James Hampton said: Material prices for things like PET, HDPE & paper are stable or rising, have been for a long time, most are linked to oil / energy prices. Burn them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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