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Just seen HRH The Chief Minister on a new YouTube Paul Moulton video, at a business breakfast. He was blathering on again about Boris, name dropping names of MPs according to him or his flunkies who are friends of the island. He is predicting a UK General Election in October or before.

I seriously wish there is a general election here, and HRH The Chief Minister, Alf, Chris Thomas, Ray Harmer and others fail to get re-elected. Geez what poetic justice,

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Fat Howard and his farming grants.  There's a proper investigation snd expose needed.

What on earth makes you think Boris is a brexiteer?  He only supported Brexit because he thought it would lose, but his backing it would help him win the Leadership against Cameron.  That's why he was

Yes Gozo, totally agree, misjudge Boris at your peril.   He is a highly intelligent man behind his somewhat bumbling appearance.   And it is common courtesy to congratulate an incoming Prime Minister.

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1 hour ago, 2112 said:

HRH The Chief Minister...at a business breakfast. He was blathering on again about Boris, name dropping names of MPs...

Quayle has elevated bullshitting to an art form. The sooner we are rid of this pontificating, vacuous oaf the better. These political “mates” of his in UK must be genuinely aghast that the brain-dead parliamentary knuckle-draggers of the IOM voluntarily selected this bag of wind as CM. He’s not fit to run a whelk stall.

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On 7/25/2019 at 4:13 PM, Roger Mexico said:

Boris is always desperate to compare himself with Churchill, but though he does indeed share some of his faults (such as rather dodgy sources of financing) he has none of his strengths.  Churchill of course wasn't a narcissist anyway, but the opposite - a depressive, haunted by the 'black dog' and drinking excessively to cope.  And like many depressives probably suffered from too much self-awareness, while that Johnson has never shown any evidence of knowing what that means.

 As to Johnson's intelligence, I'm always reminded of a rather bitchy remark someone made about Stephen Fry: "A stupid person's idea of a clever person"[1], which applies well here.  Even the carefully-crafted (as you point out) bumbling is meant to suggest the absent-minded professor, rather than incompetence..  But he's really not as clever as he thinks he is.  Churchill, aware of his own intellectual shortcomings (which he admittedly over-played), was always keen to surround himself with the best, Johnson will prefer those who make him feel comfortable.

Not entirely true. 

Churchill got “down”, but was never a true depressive. He also drank, but not excessively, and there were very few instances of him ever being ‘drunk’. He was also just a bit shit with money, as opposed to income being from dodgy sources.

I’ve recently finished Andrew Roberts’ weighty biography ‘Churchill - Walking With Destiny’. Highly recommended 

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39 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Not entirely true. 

Churchill... He also drank, but not excessively, and there were very few instances of him ever being ‘drunk’...

Come on Derek, Winston imbibed, perhaps not to excess but certainly to capacity. He was famous for it and by today's standards he would be termed a chronic alcoholic.

He and Roosevelt (another lover of alcohol) would get 3 sheets to the wind whenever they got together; White House staffers would joke they were on "Winston hours" whenever Churchill visited.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Not entirely true. 

Churchill got “down”, but was never a true depressive. He also drank, but not excessively, and there were very few instances of him ever being ‘drunk’. He was also just a bit shit with money, as opposed to income being from dodgy sources.

I’ve recently finished Andrew Roberts’ weighty biography ‘Churchill - Walking With Destiny’. Highly recommended 

Roberts' biography seems to be part of recent tendency among conservative intellectuals (and there's probably some quote marks needed there) to minimise anything that might be seen as a human fault on the part of Churchill.  I suspect it's mainly for the American market as they like their leaders saintly, even when they blatantly aren't, and believe that only Good Men can do Good Things.  In this case it's rather difficult for them as Churchill's own words so often contradict them, but if the last few years have taught us anything it's that these people never let facts get in their way.

So Churchill's depression is denied and they are forced to use a whole range of synonyms 'down', 'melancholia', 'black dog' that mean exactly the same thing[1].  It's even more difficult with his drinking which is widely documented throughout his life and never denied, indeed rather celebrated.  The truth is that he was a functioning alcoholic (neither the first nor the last in that family) and if he was rarely seen 'drunk' it was because few had ever seen him sober.  Like many such he probably drank as much for energy as for intoxication, but the amounts he put away were phenomenal.

And he was indeed poor with money and notably spendthrift. Unlike many aristocrats in his situation he didn't marry into money.  And so he did indeed need those dodgy sources of money - people rarely give politicians something for nothing.  British politics has become so corrupted in the last decades this sort of behaviour hardly raises an eyebrow, but it did back then.  It probably didn't make much difference in practice - to some extent Jewish financiers backed him because of his opposition to Hitler, rather than the other way round.

Another reason for the whitewashing of Churchill by conservatives is to bolster his standing as the person solely responsible for winning the Second World War.  Even right-wing Americans tend to do this because they hate to give any credit to FDR.  In truth you could argue that even in British terms he was almost a figurehead - most of the government was made up of Labour, politicians from smaller Parties such as the Liberals, and technocrats brought in from outside, along with some younger Conservatives who had also opposed appeasement.  Parliamentary arithmetic meant that the PM had to be a Conservative, but most of the other candidates had discredited themselves.  This would be a bit unfair on the many strengths that Churchill had, but he himself was very aware how much he owed others, especially Attlee.

 

[1]  There's an interesting discussion to be had whether he was a manic-depressive and manic phases were responsible for some of his worst decisions, but I suspect that close examination will show that most was simply poor judgement.

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On 7/26/2019 at 1:16 AM, Roger Mexico said:

He's thinks he's Churchill, but he's actually like a slightly more fl.......

Didn't Churchill totally misunderstand the support he had in the 19XX gen election???

Could not Boris take us out of Europe and then lose the next election and we find our selves in between a complete WTO agreement and the loss of EU agreements and Andreas chickens will have to be sprinkled with salt before they an be sold to Douglas! and American quacks will treat us for our serious cancers for £10,000 ???

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7 hours ago, Kopek said:

Didn't Churchill totally misunderstand the support he had in the 19XX gen election???

Could not Boris take us out of Europe and then lose the next election and we find our selves in between a complete WTO agreement and the loss of EU agreements and Andreas chickens will have to be sprinkled with salt before they an be sold to Douglas! and American quacks will treat us for our serious cancers for £10,000 ???

WSC was a situational leader and a man put in place by a very small group of people for a relatively short space of time. Pretty much useless as a politician outside of that. Despite being a great orator, he was roundly ignored in the lead up to the Second World War on the threat of a re-arming Germany.

WW2 was not of our making. Brexit is - entirely. Boris may well crash us out on 31 Oct. it will be the man or woman that goes after him who will have the real’Churchillian’ task of rebuilding Britain ahead of them.

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22 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

Not entirely true. 

Churchill got “down”, but was never a true depressive. He also drank, but not excessively, and there were very few instances of him ever being ‘drunk’. He was also just a bit shit with money, as opposed to income being from dodgy sources.

I’ve recently finished Andrew Roberts’ weighty biography ‘Churchill - Walking With Destiny’. Highly recommended 

That's a 'rehabilitation' view posited by Andrew Roberts but Churchill but the man was if not alcoholic then certainly living an alcohol dependent lifestyle & maybe because of that his black dog was a regular companion

 

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16 hours ago, Kopek said:

Didn't Churchill totally misunderstand the support he had in the 19XX gen election???

Could not Boris take us out of Europe and then lose the next election and we find our selves in between a complete WTO agreement and the loss of EU agreements and Andreas chickens will have to be sprinkled with salt before they an be sold to Douglas! and American quacks will treat us for our serious cancers for £10,000 ???

Yes Boris will complete the fuck up to make all previous fuck ups such as Suez appear rather run of the mill
 

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11 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

 it will be the man or woman that goes after him who will have the real’Churchillian’ task of rebuilding Britain ahead of them.

What,walking around with their genitals hanging out,drinking heavily,shooting Indians and being lucky?

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2 hours ago, display name said:

What,walking around with their genitals hanging out,drinking heavily,shooting Indians and being lucky?

Walking around with your genitals hanging out is kind of ok if you are doing the helicopter and/or doing the 'woo woo' noise.

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