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Still, whatever his level of involvement, Malarkey only has to say one of two words - yes or no. 

Former Manx Radio DJ Dan Davies as Chief Executive of Home Affairs will have had a say.

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I understand why we are getting worked up about this, our perception of prison life has been shattered. We all thought it was like the high security wings we see all too often at Wormwwod Scrubs and Parkhurst, or in the USA prison system. I don't think our regime is too far away from other UK non serious offenders institutions?

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5 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I understand why we are getting worked up about this, our perception of prison life has been shattered. We all thought it was like the high security wings we see all too often at Wormwwod Scrubs and Parkhurst, or in the USA prison system. I don't think our regime is too far away from other UK non serious offenders institutions?

Correct.  In fact it's not long ago that in the UK the press were constantly moaning about how soft 'open prisons' were, and Jurby is effectively one of them - all fairly low level criminals as we send the few hard cases across don't we?

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39 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Correct.  In fact it's not long ago that in the UK the press were constantly moaning about how soft 'open prisons' were, and Jurby is effectively one of them - all fairly low level criminals as we send the few hard cases across don't we?

Out of interest how much do we pay for a prisoner to be kept across? Do we know?

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27 minutes ago, NoTail said:
1 hour ago, wrighty said:

Correct.  In fact it's not long ago that in the UK the press were constantly moaning about how soft 'open prisons' were, and Jurby is effectively one of them - all fairly low level criminals as we send the few hard cases across don't we?

Out of interest how much do we pay for a prisoner to be kept across? Do we know?

I know that anyone sentenced to life is held across, because such prisoners are supposed to be kept under a special regime which isn't catered for here.  I'm not sure about other serious crime, though the same would presumably apply to high security prisoners and cases where other specialist regimes are needed.  I'm not sure if there are any of the latter at the moment, though there are lifers across such as Peter Newbery.  All these will be paid for by the Isle of Man, but I'm not sure what the amounts are, though the UK MoJ is in charge of when the get released and so on.

There are also prisoners who are repatriated to the UK so they can serve their sentences near their home.  These tend to be those held for longer sentences because it seems to take a good time to arrange the transfer.  When repatriated they are then paid for by the UK - the same rules would applied the other way for Manx prisoners brought back to the island.

In general there's not much statistical or financial information about the Prison Service available.  There's odd Tynwald/Keys questions or FoI requests (I've quoted some earlier) but they are one-offs and the information not updated.

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9 hours ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

I suspect the dude living in his camper in the car park during TT was probably being a bit disingenuous. I'm guessing he'd rented his house out for the duration as opposed to the 'difficulty of getting home.' 

The dude living in the camper needs 6 months inside himself for calling that thing he ate a burger. That burger was as dry as Ghandi’s flip flop. 

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5 hours ago, Max Power said:

I understand why we are getting worked up about this, our perception of prison life has been shattered. We all thought it was like the high security wings we see all too often at Wormwwod Scrubs and Parkhurst, or in the USA prison system. I don't think our regime is too far away from other UK non serious offenders institutions?

I think it’s obvious why people are getting worked up. It’s just ill-advised whichever way you look at it, ill-advised in almost every way imaginable. It’s not even interesting to watch it’s a few total deadbeat fuckwits with far too much to say about themselves and most of them repeat offenders anyway. There’s some nice scenery of the IOM and that’s almost the silliest thing going as it’s irrelevant to anything unless locate.im actively wants to attract criminal new residents attracted here by nice views and cushy prison life. It simply makes no sense. 

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My only criticism is too much mentioning of TT. I realise that criminality and motorcycling go hand in hand  but it would be nice if we could appear on TT without that dour, grubby, sleazy, dull event making us look bad. 

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Having watched the first two episodes, one thing that stood out to me is that, We on the island are a multi national society, irish, welsh, scotish, polish, romainian, russian, jewish, indian, african carribean, but the only accent that seems to stand out in the prison is a scoucers accent, is that a deliberate action by the makers of the film, to provoke a reaction , or is that reality ?

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11 hours ago, Manx Bean said:

The sad thing is that this programme (if Minister Malarkey et al had bothered to get to grips with the production team), could have been a great one hour documentary. It could have reflected the positives which are - thankfully, it is properly funded and staff ratios are utopian; the fact that as a consequence Parole has to be earned because the management aren't under pressure for space. I have a good friend who has just retired from the prison service in the UK after working in some of Scotland's toughest prisons, and he cannot believe what he has been watching on TV.

But no - yet again, Malarkey has been well and truly hoodwinked, and now we have ended up with a cringeworthy comedic reality show that is nothing more than 30 minutes of "Trash TV" on a Wednesday. From the hill-billy music through to Stephen Fry's patronising narration, its embarrassing.

All we need now is for the programme to win some TV award.

And so far, the Governor (who I am told was very opposed to cameras coming in) is being left to deal with the press, while Minister Malarkey is nowhere to be seen - funny that!

 

 

If the prison documetory dosen`t win anward, ( a bafta ) will they do a follow up with a documetory of the islands homeless on the promende, ( when the works are eventually finished )  and living off the islands food banks, and will that win / have any chance of winning an award ?

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Perhaps i'm in the minority but I've really enjoyed these episodes so far. Its nothing how I imagined it to be, I expected it to be all doom and gloom but its the complete opposite, I think this is something the Isle of Man has got right for a change. These low key 'criminals' featured are just ordinary folk who mostly took a wrong turn in life for whatever reason (probably because they felt they didn't have much to lose at the time would be my guess) and any of us could end up in prison. I would expect affay/GBH/ABH has to be one of the most common reasons to end up inside and most of us would do anything we see fit to protect our friends/families.

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46 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

These low key 'criminals' featured are just ordinary folk who mostly took a wrong turn in life for whatever reason (probably because they felt they didn't have much to lose at the time would be my guess) and any of us could end up in prison. I would expect affay/GBH/ABH has to be one of the most common reasons to end up inside and most of us would do anything we see fit to protect our friends/families.

Are you on drugs or pissed? What the fuck are you on about? If you Google ‘Goldie’ or just read some of the court results mentioned on this thread or the other one, you can see he’s committed serious assaults, GBH, wounding etc etc, time after time. He’s a violent bully and wannabe hard man thug- as per his pathetic ‘Thug Life’ tattoo round his belly. Are you seriously suggesting his multitude of serious assaults are ALL the consequences of trying to ‘protect his friends/family’?! Fuck me....I’ve seen some naive bullshit on these pages, but I reckon yours takes the all time award. 

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9 minutes ago, manxst said:

Are you on drugs or pissed? What the fuck are you on about? If you Google ‘Goldie’ or just read some of the court results mentioned on this thread or the other one, you can see he’s committed serious assaults, GBH, wounding etc etc, time after time. He’s a violent bully and wannabe hard man thug- as per his pathetic ‘Thug Life’ tattoo round his belly. Are you seriously suggesting his multitude of serious assaults are ALL the consequences of trying to ‘protect his friends/family’?! Fuck me....I’ve seen some naive bullshit on these pages, but I reckon yours takes the all time award. 

I never mentioned 'Goldie' and I'm not particularly interested in his previous convictions, I was simply meaning that any one of us could end up in prison, nobody does it through choice but I've heard and read some opinions that make it seem like prison is some sort of holiday camp that people almost choose to go to. As for Goldie, he's in prison, that is his punishment and that's what its there for. I don't think you should ever judge someone without walking a day in their shoes, I wouldn't say he lives an enviable lifestyle, would you? I've never met the chap but I've met people with a similar criminal history and there is normally something within their childhood or teens that has triggered this behaviour.

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Criminality is a state of mind. You are either criminally minded or you are not.
If you found a wallet with £250 in it, would you advertise it on Manxnet's lost and found, or would you consider it your lucky day? After all, anyone with £250 in their wallet won't miss it., eh?

That's the mentality that populates our prison: a lack of standards combined with ample opportunity.

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2 hours ago, Declan said:

My only criticism is too much mentioning of TT. I realise that criminality and motorcycling go hand in hand  but it would be nice if we could appear on TT without that dour, grubby, sleazy, dull event making us look bad. 

I beg your pardon?

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