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On 8/11/2019 at 10:15 PM, thesultanofsheight said:

Did you ever meet Richard Corkill or Tony Brown? Both were trying extra hard not to trip over their extra large shoes. 

Those are powerful arguments, but Quayle is actually worse than either of them.  Neither as you say were up to the job but Corkill[1] had been OK as a Minister (compare Quayle at DHSC) and Brown could come across as a competent speaker, as said above, in a slightly folksy 'cunning peasant' mode - though Gelling played that game better.  Neither came across quite as stupid as Quayle.

In addition Quayle manages to project an air of self-importance, especially when challenged, that is all his own, (maybe Bell had hints of it).  Any attempt to question what he says or the actions of his government is met with incredulity and indignation; 'achievements' announced with the firm expectation that the entire population will erupt with praise.  It is indeed Dunning-Kruger on hyperdrive.

 

[1]  It's rather amusing that his Wikipedia entry says absolutely nothing about the circumstances of his fall from grace.

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'Pompous indignation' is his default position

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1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

[1]  It's rather amusing that his Wikipedia entry says absolutely nothing about the circumstances of his fall from grace.

He didn't have a fall from grace. It was all his wife. Nothing whatsoever to do with Richard. He wasn't even called as a witness.

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20 minutes ago, gettafa said:

He didn't have a fall from grace. It was all his wife. Nothing whatsoever to do with Richard. He wasn't even called as a witness.

I’m guessing you’d know best. 

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2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Those are powerful arguments, but Quayle is actually worse than either of them.  Neither as you say were up to the job but Corkill[1] had been OK as a Minister (compare Quayle at DHSC) and Brown could come across as a competent speaker, as said above, in a slightly folksy 'cunning peasant' mode - though Gelling played that game better.  Neither came across quite as stupid as Quayle.

In addition Quayle manages to project an air of self-importance, especially when challenged, that is all his own, (maybe Bell had hints of it).  Any attempt to question what he says or the actions of his government is met with incredulity and indignation; 'achievements' announced with the firm expectation that the entire population will erupt with praise.  It is indeed Dunning-Kruger on hyperdrive.

 

[1]  It's rather amusing that his Wikipedia entry says absolutely nothing about the circumstances of his fall from grace.

Excellent analysis Roger; entirely accurate.

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4 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

[1]  It's rather amusing that his Wikipedia entry says absolutely nothing about the circumstances of his fall from grace.

Wiki is more-or-less as accessible as Manx Forums or Facebook for that matter. Get yourself in there Rog.

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3 hours ago, gettafa said:

He didn't have a fall from grace. It was all his wife. Nothing whatsoever to do with Richard. He wasn't even called as a witness.

He had to resign as Chief Minister - that sounds pretty much like a fall from grace to me.  Even if it was proved that the entire thing had been set up by the CIA and Corkills were as pure as the driven snow, that would still have been worth mentioning in the Wiki article.  It's the complete omission that I found amusing.  In fact of course Julie Corkill was found guilty  and received a heavy fine.  And there was much muttering even after that.  And of course the whole thing came just after the Mount Murray affair, so gave a lot of ammunition to those who saw the Island's administration as corrupt.

In fact an examination of the Wiki article's history shows that previous versions did mention the incident and over the years it became minimised and then vanished altogether.

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Oh dear, well if I'd er, known you'd have delved into all that information, I wouldn't have mentioned it. Probably.

(I think looking through the history of a wiki page and who is doing the editing is highly interesting. I wonder when 'Right To Be Forgotten' will get its claws into wiki?)

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5 hours ago, gettafa said:

He didn't have a fall from grace. It was all his wife. Nothing whatsoever to do with Richard. He wasn't even called as a witness.

Wink wink

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Gelling era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
Corkill era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
Bell era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
Quayle era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
etc.

Great craic, but nothing more.

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This next general election coming the electorate should dicate the direction of travel, & politicians stumble over themselves to meet our demands :D

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37 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

This next general election coming the electorate should dicate the direction of travel, & politicians stumble over themselves to meet our demands :D

And in the real world the CS will carry on in the same fashion that they always have... :lol:

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2 hours ago, Viddy well said:

Gelling era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
Corkill era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
Bell era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
Quayle era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
etc.

Great craic, but nothing more.

Sadly until some people with a grasp of reality and a modicum of intelligence to go with it put forward their desire to stand for public office the Pool Politico is pretty shallow !

Which is probably a good thing, as most of them would be out of their depth in a puddle !!

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12 hours ago, Viddy well said:

Gelling era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
Corkill era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
Bell era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
Quayle era. These politicians are crap - let's vote us in some decent ones.
etc.

Great craic, but nothing more.

You seem to be terribly jaundiced.

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