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Road tax or whatever it is called nowadays.

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There is a petition regarding changes to payment of above tax.    I think it makes good sense it supports the payment of said tax by monthly payments, direct debits being the flavour of our times for many other charges.   I think this is good there seem to be a lot of people getting done for non payment and it is a lot of lolly  to find the way everything seems to be getting more expensive by the day.    What are your thoughts, if you agree please sign the petition on FB.

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6 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

There is a petition regarding changes to payment of above tax.    I think it makes good sense it supports the payment of said tax by monthly payments, direct debits being the flavour of our times for many other charges.   I think this is good there seem to be a lot of people getting done for non payment and it is a lot of lolly  to find the way everything seems to be getting more expensive by the day.    What are your thoughts, if you agree please sign the petition on FB.

Everything is paid by DD in this day and age including your car insurance. The solution will be to put up road tax by 20% then let you pay by installment. 

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They must be losing money hand over trotter because of unpaid tax, if they catch 20 you can bet there are 2000 getting away with it.

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IIRC there was a time when you could tax a car for six months instead of the full twelve? I think it was done away with at the time because some considered that they'd brought such affluence to the Island that everybody could afford the full 12 month whack.

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1 minute ago, hissingsid said:

It really needs sorting people are struggling a two tier society has never been so real.

But if you can afford a car presumably you can afford to tax it? It’s not a poverty issue. If you were genuinely poor you’d sell your car and use the bus in order to eat. 

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2 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

They must be losing money hand over trotter because of unpaid tax, if they catch 20 you can bet there are 2000 getting away with it.

I'm not so sure.  There's a report today about how many they are catching with APNR:

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Number plate recognition technology used Island-wide

Fifty-four people have been caught paying no, or the wrong, vehicle duty since new cameras were introduced in May.

The Department of Infrastructure says the automatic number plate recognition technology will continue to be used at various locations around the Island.

Registration numbers are checked against a central database.

According to the DoI, 80 per cent of claims have been settled already, with those who haven't paid being taken to court.

It adds that there have been high rates of non-payment outside Douglas, after the cameras were used in Castletown, Douglas, Jurby, Peel, Port Erin and Ramsey, so those areas will continue to be targeted.

If you think about 54 isn't that many.  We're taking about multiple locations (six? more in Douglas?) over four months.  That's a lot of cars and a lot of number plates read, each one of which can be checked against the database.  To only pick up 54 (one every other day) doesn't seem like a lot unless there's only one or two cameras and their moving them around.  But the camera ought to be the cheapest part of this technology, surely?

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With the logistics of the Island some people need vans and cars to get to work and people need vans to do their jobs, if you do not recognize the struggles small families etc are facing you are either in the top tier of society or living with your head in the sand.   Your uncaring attitude does you no credit.

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21 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

But if you can afford a car presumably you can afford to tax it? It’s not a poverty issue. If you were genuinely poor you’d sell your car and use the bus in order to eat. 

It's not that simple.  Not everyone lives on a bus route and, even if you do, a lot of people need a car to get to work.  The sort of low-paid, maybe zero-hours jobs with irregular hours and perhaps early or late starts are often those for which having your own transport is essential.  Rentals in more rural areas are often cheaper, so it's a balance between saving on that and spending on transport.  And for a family, especially the working poor, public transport can also work out expensive.

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8 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

It's not that simple.  Not everyone lives on a bus route and, even if you do, a lot of people need a car to get to work.  The sort of low-paid, maybe zero-hours jobs with irregular hours and perhaps early or late starts are often those for which having your own transport is essential.  Rentals in more rural areas are often cheaper, so it's a balance between saving on that and spending on transport.  And for a family, especially the working poor, public transport can also work out expensive.

Yes but it’s being dressed up as yet another poverty issue about the IOM when it isn’t. If you can afford to run a car you can afford to tax it as car ownership isn’t mandatory. Too many people are just buying stupid cars. If you get a low cc car it’s £56 a year to tax it and it will get you about fine. You should not need to pay fifty quid on installments. It’s all these idiots buying inappropriate vehicles and then not being able to pay £600 to tax their 10 year old 3.0 BMW. It’s not a poverty issue at all and people should be incentivized not to buy high taxable vehicles anyway. 

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1 hour ago, the stinking enigma said:

It's because it's a lot cheaper to tax a car on emissions.

Emissions are on the reg docs now, have been for a while.

If data is present your Cat B vehicle will be charged on emissions (if not then cc's), which then becomes compulsory for all Cat B first registered after April 2010. 

And it's not always cheaper. I have two vehicles with the same size engine - older one is £410 based on cc, newer one is £600+ based on emissions. Think there was a news story on this a few weeks ago.  

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As older, more lucrative (for the Govt) vehicles are disposed of, the currently lower rates for the (allegedly) less polluting ones will rise to maintain revenue. Including electrics. Sure as eggs are eggs. It's less about the environment and more about money.

How can a BV Merc Citaro bus, running 12hrs a day and paying only £166 a year be less polluting than a 1.4 Fiesta rated at £180 a year doing 1+1/2hrs a day for the daily commute, for example?

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