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Local VMCC suspend Jurby Festival

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1 hour ago, Declan said:

"Let's not abide by safety regulations because we're volunteers." That sounds very chancy to me. 

But they're not, "not abiding". These things have been imposed on them gradually more and more over the past few years as it's become required, they've done their best to comply to date to an acceptable standard (otherwise H&S and Co would have stopped it earlier). Now it's become too much to comply with so they've called a halt. I'd say that's being responsible?

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8 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

But they're not, "not abiding". These things have been imposed on them gradually more and more over the past few years as it's become required, they've done their best to comply to date to an acceptable standard (otherwise H&S and Co would have stopped it earlier). Now it's become too much to comply with so they've called a halt. I'd say that's being responsible?

OK - "Let's not abide by safety standards in future, because we are volunteers and this is motorcycling in the Isle of Man and we can do what we want." 

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4 minutes ago, quilp said:

15% drop in attendance since 2017. Not that popular, obviously. 

2018 was a washout with the weather. This year will have been hit by the general lack of attendance at the FOM? And we're still waiting for the official figures on that too.

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11 minutes ago, Declan said:

OK - "Let's not abide by safety standards in future, because we are volunteers and this is motorcycling in the Isle of Man and we can do what we want." 

But again, they haven't said that. They've called a halt to the future running of the event because they can't meet the standards. That is the state of play at the moment. DfE now want a meeting.

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Standard negotiating position of the island's motorcycle community. Cancel. Outrage. DfE panic. Taxpayer ends up paying. 

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Listen/watch the interview on Manx Radio. A very clear and open account. Everything you need to know.

Well done the club for what they have achieved.

 

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3 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

So basically, the entire economic model of the Isle of Man is propped up on the survival of the TT?

 

Jesus, this is worse than I thought!

A bit of an exaggeration Derek but several things are propped up by the TT. Your supercar events were made possible in no small way due to the infrastructure and experience in running the TT.

3 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

He is a bit of an old drama queen is Mad Max Power. 

 

Quite amusing that he thinks the entire Isle of Man is propped up by the TT 

Yes.

3 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

What on earth does the TT have to do with the quality of our A&E department? Are you trying to imply that not having severe trauma cases would somehow make the Isle of Man less attractive to medical staff?

I'd defer to Wrighty on this but my conversations with medical specialists in the UK indicate that the IoM is not attractive in certain areas due to the lack of opportunity to practice new and cutting edge skills.

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All in all it's positive that this has been cancelled. It means the ever diminishing number of motorbike visitors can go around the Island and spend money, rather than their spend being held captive at some dump of an old airfield. 

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1 hour ago, Declan said:

Standard negotiating position of the island's motorcycle community. Cancel. Outrage. DfE panic. Taxpayer ends up paying. 

So you would presumably prefer that they run the event on a possibly non-compliant basis? And possible personal liability to volunteer club members? Wasn't that what you were objecting to, a couple of posts back? In the name of avoiding any "taxpayer contribution"?

Nobody at this point has suggested that the taxpayer pay for anything in respect of this. It may well be that the VMCC wish to step away from any involvement at all if the event's future involves more of Govt's tainted fingers and dead hand.

In that case if Govt wish to take the enterprise on and you object to the use of taxpayer's best in their doing so, then you need to raise the issue with your elected representatives.

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5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

So you would presumably prefer that they run the event on a possibly non-compliant basis? And possible personal liability to volunteer club members? Wasn't that what you were objecting to, a couple of posts back? In the name of avoiding any "taxpayer contribution"?

 

No I'm perfectly happy for them to stop running it if the risk is too much for them. 

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2 minutes ago, Declan said:

No I'm perfectly happy for them to stop running it if the risk is too much for them. 

Which is precisely what has happened. I'm aware of just how onerous some of the conditions now Govt-imposed on the event are. The best of all is, DfE and its FOM has piggy-backed on the Jurby Festival - it existed before the FOM.

VMCC have stated their case. The ball is now in Skelly & Co's court.

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I always thought Jurby was classed as a strategic runway for UK in time of emergency and that is why the main runway straight is still there? Don't know if it's true or has any relevance.

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32 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Which is precisely what has happened. I'm aware of just how onerous some of the conditions now Govt-imposed on the event are. The best of all is, DfE and its FOM has piggy-backed on the Jurby Festival - it existed before the FOM.

VMCC have stated their case. The ball is now in Skelly & Co's court.

I think a lot of the problems have come from other government departments rather than the DofE?

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