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Equality Act: Why is religion protected from discrimination, but politics is not?

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Equality Act Draft code consultation -- closes 7 October

 

The Equality Act 2017 (the Act) is one of the most important pieces of social legislation to be progressed in the Isle of Man in recent times. It seeks to ensure fair and equal treatment, in a way that allows social and economic inclusion in the community.

The Act consolidates and replaces earlier discrimination legislation. Principally, the Act covers discrimination because of age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage and civil partnership, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex and sexual orientation. These groups are known in the Act as ‘protected characteristics’.

Discrimination in most areas of activity is now unlawful, subject to certain exceptions. These areas of activity include employment and other work-related situations; education; housing; the provision of services, the exercise of public functions and membership of associations.

The Council of Ministers have the statutory discretion to issue a Code of Practice in connection with any matter addressed in the Act, to ensure or facilitate compliance with the Act or to promote equality of opportunity.

https://consult.gov.im/cabinet-office/equality-act-2017-draft-code-of-practice-on-employ/

What I'd like to know is, why is religion protected from discrimination, yet political philosophy is not? It's against the law to discriminate because someone believes in some superstitious drivel, but it's perfectly acceptable to discriminate against someone for believing in a rational political philosophy such as classical liberalism (and therefore opposed to illegitimate forms of authority). It seems to just be the government or ruling elite protecting themselves in their ability to discriminate against anyone who challenges them, as we know religious beliefs only serve to distract people or allow them to control people via the clerics who are also puppets of the same system.

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13 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said:

What I'd like to know is, why is religion protected from discrimination, yet political philosophy is not?

Isn't it?

The operative bit is s15 which says don't be nasty on account of a range of specific issues. One of those issues is "religion or belief". This is defined as;

"(1) Religion means any religion and a reference to religion includes a reference to a lack of religion.

(2) Belief means any religious or philosophical belief and a reference to belief includes a reference to a lack of belief."

I am sure there is much clarification further in the act, in case law and in the various codes but it seems that "philosophical beliefs" are protected characteristics and I can see this causing some difficulty.

 

 

 

 

 

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The wording is very specific about religion (and some other things) then goes extremely vague to the point of meaninglessness. It doesn't categorically preclude political discrimination. Why don't they just specifically list it like they do for religion?

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15 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

I wonder if it impacts on unlucky people?

When I'm recruiting for a role I bin half the CVs I get without looking at them.  

I don't employ unlucky people.

Irrelevant.

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18 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

I wonder if it impacts on unlucky people?

When I'm recruiting for a role I bin half the CVs I get without looking at them.  

I don't employ unlucky people.

the ones you binned are the lucky ones i reckon.

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6 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said:

The wording is very specific about religion (and some other things) then goes extremely vague to the point of meaninglessness. It doesn't categorically preclude political discrimination. Why don't they just specifically list it like they do for religion?

Perhaps because a person's political views could be Nazi like for example?

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2 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Perhaps because a person's political views could be Nazi like for example?

That isn't a valid reason to preclude political protections. There are plenty of religious views that are on the same or a worse level than Nazism.

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Please refer to my original post where I specifically mentioned a reasonable political view. Can you not read?

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26 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said:

The wording is very specific about religion (and some other things) then goes extremely vague to the point of meaninglessness. It doesn't categorically preclude political discrimination. Why don't they just specifically list it like they do for religion?

For Political beliefs, s15 could be re-worded as ;

Do not discriminate against anyone on the grounds of ... philosophical belief which includes a reference to a lack of belief

This seems quite wide to me. What more do you want? I expect the topic is not well documented partly because its tricky and partly because it does not happen very often, the other categories referred to do suffer discrimination on a regular basis.

The UK has legislation which is similar and guidance says;

"Beliefs such as humanism and atheism would be beliefs for the purposes of this provision but adherence to a particular football team would not be."

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Phillip Dearden said:

For Political beliefs, s15 could be re-worded as ;

Do not discriminate against anyone on the grounds of ... philosophical belief which includes a reference to a lack of belief

This seems quite wide to me. What more do you want? I expect the topic is not well documented partly because its tricky and partly because it does not happen very often, the other categories referred to do suffer discrimination on a regular basis.

The UK has legislation which is similar and guidance says;

"Beliefs such as humanism and atheism would be beliefs for the purposes of this provision but adherence to a particular football team would not be."

 

Why not just state "political philosophy"? Why do we need to jump around politics, when religion is stated so unequivocally?

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It's "wide" to the point of being nebulous; you can't pin it down to politics. As currently worded, it really just applies to belief or non-belief, religion or irreligion.  It doesn't extend to politics at all.

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